Why I'm not a terrorist

[WinterHold]

[WinterHold]

[bennyboy]

The problem is that by supporting your book of fairy tales, you are indirectly supporting those who take it literally enough to do harm to others.

Drop the fairy tale book please, we have enough real problems in the world without contributing to crazy people thinking murder is a holy venture.

[ShirkahnW]

The hiszorical context is irrelevant. The Quran claims to be the true and unchangeable word of God. So the only thing that matters is whats in the Quran and not what historical context it was written in. You are right in saying that muslims were not treated well and that some polytheists broke thier contracts. But that is no excuse to say that you should fight all people of different believes just because they didnt treat muslims very well in the past. The people of today can not be punished for mistakes their ancestors made over a thousand years ago. And I have read the Quran btw. and it is a good book to learn about what was going on at the time and what mohammed rrally thought. But it is a horrendous book to life your life after.

[WinterHold]

The problem is that by supporting your book of fairy tales, you are indirectly supporting those who take it literally enough to do harm to others.

Drop the fairy tale book please, we have enough real problems in the world without contributing to crazy people thinking murder is a holy venture.

I don't agree; no.
You are throwing me with stones, while your house is made out of glass. You share the same religious views with Dahmer and Stalin. But that doesn't make you a serial killer, or a mad dictator.

Your concept is not right.
Furthermore; the world's problems are produced from the immorality of steps and actions like the creation of atomic weapons and WMDs. Religion is not the main problem here; money and economy is.

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The hiszorical context is irrelevant. The Quran claims to be the true and unchangeable word of God. So the only thing that matters is whats in the Quran and not what historical context it was written in. You are right in saying that muslims were not treated well and that some polytheists broke thier contracts. But that is no excuse to say that you should fight all people of different believes just because they didnt treat muslims very well in the past. The people of today can not be punished for mistakes their ancestors made over a thousand years ago. And I have read the Quran btw. and it is a good book to learn about what was going on at the time and what mohammed rrally thought. But it is a horrendous book to life your life after.

No; it is.
Also the "linguistic" context. The meaning of the author is a must. Even in science and entertainment.

In my reply; I quoted to you the Quran itself. Not a history book, or a historical opinion. When put in the original context, the verse means something totally different than what you suggested.

What about the other verses that advocate peace?

( 6 )   And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah. Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know.

and this?

Sura 2, The Quran:
( 190 )   Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.

And so many other verses?
Muslims weren't ordered to fight everybody. Instead they were ordered to fix the earth:

Sura 7, The Quran:
( 55 )   Call upon your Lord in humility and privately; indeed, He does not like transgressors.

( 56 )   And cause not corruption upon the earth after its reformation. And invoke Him in fear and aspiration. Indeed, the mercy of Allah is near to the doers of good.

Choosing the verses of self-defense, and strip them off their context, is the same ignorant way Sunnies and Shiites invoke to justify their religions.
It's the same cherry-picking.

[ShirkahnW]

The problem is that by supporting your book of fairy tales, you are indirectly supporting those who take it literally enough to do harm to others.

Drop the fairy tale book please, we have enough real problems in the world without contributing to crazy people thinking murder is a holy venture.

I don't agree; no.
You are throwing me with stones, while your house is made out of glass. You share the same religious views with Dahmer and Stalin. But that doesn't make you a serial killer, or a mad dictator.

Your concept is not right.
Furthermore; the world's problems are produced from the immorality of steps and actions like the creation of atomic weapons and WMDs. Religion is not the main problem here; money and economy is.

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The hiszorical context is irrelevant. The Quran claims to be the true and unchangeable word of God. So the only thing that matters is whats in the Quran and not what historical context it was written in. You are right in saying that muslims were not treated well and that some polytheists broke thier contracts. But that is no excuse to say that you should fight all people of different believes just because they didnt treat muslims very well in the past. The people of today can not be punished for mistakes their ancestors made over a thousand years ago. And I have read the Quran btw. and it is a good book to learn about what was going on at the time and what mohammed rrally thought. But it is a horrendous book to life your life after.

No; it is.
Also the "linguistic" context. The meaning of the author is a must. Even in science and entertainment.

In my reply; I quoted to you the Quran itself. Not a history book, or a historical opinion. When put in the original context, the verse means something totally different than what you suggested.

What about the other verses that advocate peace?

( 6 )   And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah. Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know.

and this?

Sura 2, The Quran:
( 190 )   Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.

And so many other verses?
Muslims weren't ordered to fight everybody. Instead they were ordered to fix the earth:

Sura 7, The Quran:
( 55 )   Call upon your Lord in humility and privately; indeed, He does not like transgressors.

( 56 )   And cause not corruption upon the earth after its reformation. And invoke Him in fear and aspiration. Indeed, the mercy of Allah is near to the doers of good.

Choosing the verses of self-defense, and strip them off their context, is the same ignorant way Sunnies and Shiites invoke to justify their religions.
It's the same cherry-picking.

As I said there is a reason why I picked that sura. It is considered the last and therefore most important sura. And there is no verse in said sura i know of which advocates peace.

[WinterHold]

I don't agree; no.
You are throwing me with stones, while your house is made out of glass. You share the same religious views with Dahmer and Stalin. But that doesn't make you a serial killer, or a mad dictator.

Your concept is not right.
Furthermore; the world's problems are produced from the immorality of steps and actions like the creation of atomic weapons and WMDs. Religion is not the main problem here; money and economy is.

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No; it is.
Also the "linguistic" context. The meaning of the author is a must. Even in science and entertainment.

In my reply; I quoted to you the Quran itself. Not a history book, or a historical opinion. When put in the original context, the verse means something totally different than what you suggested.

What about the other verses that advocate peace?



and this?




And so many other verses?
Muslims weren't ordered to fight everybody. Instead they were ordered to fix the earth:


Choosing the verses of self-defense, and strip them off their context, is the same ignorant way Sunnies and Shiites invoke to justify their religions.
It's the same cherry-picking.

As I said there is a reason why I picked that sura. It is considered the last and therefore most important sura. And there is no verse in said sura i know of which advocates peace.

ShirkahnW Said:
The hiszorical context is irrelevant

[Jackie]

The problem is that by supporting your book of fairy tales, you are indirectly supporting those who take it literally enough to do harm to others.

Drop the fairy tale book please, we have enough real problems in the world without contributing to crazy people thinking murder is a holy venture.

Atlass33 ^^^^^^^^^^^

Keep re-reading this, but trust me, I have the same problem with every single religion worldwide.

EVERY RELIGION in the world, as umbrella labels have competing sub sects, whom cannot agree on how to follow the writings or which holy leader to follow. There is a liberal  non violent left, and a conservative "all or nothing" right, IN EVERY RELIGION, to greater or lesser degrees. Not even Hindus or Buddhists escape this.

I really wish my well intended liberal non violent theists friends would try to see what I see, that our ability to do good and be non violent is not in old writings, or in people in funny robes and hats, but in our GENES.

I DO NOT expect religion do go way,no, but this planet is too damned small now, to give so much time and attention to our differences and not enough time to solving global issues of pollution, famine, poverty. 

Atlass33 it still remains others under your same umbrella label DO read the same Koran and justify violence with it. But the same can be said for Christians and Jews.

Religion is a HORRIBLE way to conduct national, much less global diplomacy. But we can seek to make governments less dogmatic with the principle of protecting all humans equally.

[DodosAreDead]

 Take concepts like charity, I'll know that religion affected somebody if I saw them giving.

Wait, so atheists don't give?    Rather confused.

[WinterHold]

The problem is that by supporting your book of fairy tales, you are indirectly supporting those who take it literally enough to do harm to others.

Drop the fairy tale book please, we have enough real problems in the world without contributing to crazy people thinking murder is a holy venture.

Atlass33 ^^^^^^^^^^^

Keep re-reading this, but trust me, I have the same problem with every single religion worldwide.

EVERY RELIGION in the world, as umbrella labels have competing sub sects, whom cannot agree on how to follow the writings or which holy leader to follow. There is a liberal  non violent left, and a conservative "all or nothing" right, IN EVERY RELIGION, to greater or lesser degrees. Not even Hindus or Buddhists escape this.

I really wish my well intended liberal non violent theists friends would try to see what I see, that our ability to do good and be non violent is not in old writings, or in people in funny robes and hats, but in our GENES.

I DO NOT expect religion do go way,no, but this planet is too damned small now, to give so much time and attention to our differences and not enough time to solving global issues of pollution, famine, poverty. 

Atlass33 it still remains others under your same umbrella label DO read the same Koran and justify violence with it. But the same can be said for Christians and Jews.

Religion is a HORRIBLE way to conduct national, much less global diplomacy. But we can seek to make governments less dogmatic with the principle of protecting all humans equally.

I personally think, and actually have an evidence from the book I speak about, that the religion called Islam is not calling for violence, but as means to deter aggression or similar violence.

Kill the killer; don't kill his people.
Punish the thieve; don't punish his family.

The Quranic verses prove this; only when taken literally.
It is Shia and Sunna across history, who worked to destroy this concept, and make broad, wide interpretations to replace precise, accurate verses.

The sects of Islam are not Islam. But an ugly mutation of the faith.

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 Take concepts like charity, I'll know that religion affected somebody if I saw them giving.

Wait, so atheists don't give?    Rather confused.

Where did I say that????

I said "religion is what influenced charity".
Everybody gives. But fear God, fear hell, and you shall feel hunger even if full.

Moreover; charity in its current forms is always related to religion. Imagining a Church without a charity center is quite...dosn't make sense?