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RE: The benefits of being christian. Where are there???
December 25, 2017 at 5:30 pm
(December 25, 2017 at 3:50 pm)Starhunter Wrote: You are not who you pose to be on this forum, and that you play games with people's minds on different forums, as a different character, as I have always suspected. You like to take the extremes in any situation and flaunt them, in order to create what your superior (control) knows as the Hegelian dialectic.
What you are doing now, will be better understood and exposed to the world in general in the near future, and the authorities will take the right action against the likes of you, but at the moment you are enjoying the life of an abuser.
That's a rather serious accusation. It could apply to any of us, you and me included. Suffice to say that you do not inspire me to want to become Christian.
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RE: The benefits of being christian. Where are there???
December 25, 2017 at 5:35 pm
(December 25, 2017 at 4:47 pm)Mermaid Wrote: (December 25, 2017 at 3:50 pm)Starhunter Wrote:
Why, may I ask?
Er. Cause I am an atheist. I came to this conclusion some time ago after a lot of thought about it. Your telling me "God is great!" isn't going to convince me that God exists. It's just not my thing. If it's yours great! I believe in science and the natural world. I do not believe in God, I think it's a preposterous belief.
I have never not believed in God, so I can't identify with you there, but I have tested God on many occasions to see if he would communicate or react to my requests. I have been elated many times with the results. Only a few professed believers practice actual communication with God. In ancient Israel that ratio was at one time 1:32,000.
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RE: The benefits of being christian. Where are there???
December 25, 2017 at 5:35 pm
(December 25, 2017 at 11:13 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: (December 25, 2017 at 10:58 am)Grandizer Wrote: Read this too many times and still makes no sense to me.
I think what SH is saying is that one arrives at religious truths without critical thinking, much the same way that a baby is produced without critical thinking. What his proposition fails to recognize, however, is that critical thinking prevents error by subjecting all ideas to scrutiny. Critical thinking isn't about producing an idea. It's about finding the right idea. He thinks critical thinking is like "inventing" or "giving birth to" ideas-- no. It's a process whereby an idea's validity is tested.
IMO (assuming that I have correctly interpreted SH's statement) it is a bad analogy.
Thanks. I guess I didnt think hed be this clueless. Hence, the confusion.
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RE: The benefits of being christian. Where are there???
December 25, 2017 at 5:38 pm
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(December 25, 2017 at 3:50 pm)Starhunter Wrote: What you are saying is that critical thinking is a way of defining what already is discovered and agreed on, in other words it is trying to state the obvious...
It's actually the precise opposite of that:
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: The benefits of being christian. Where are there???
December 25, 2017 at 5:42 pm
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(December 25, 2017 at 5:30 pm)Astreja Wrote: (December 25, 2017 at 3:50 pm)Starhunter Wrote: You are not who you pose to be on this forum, and that you play games with people's minds on different forums, as a different character, as I have always suspected. You like to take the extremes in any situation and flaunt them, in order to create what your superior (control) knows as the Hegelian dialectic.
What you are doing now, will be better understood and exposed to the world in general in the near future, and the authorities will take the right action against the likes of you, but at the moment you are enjoying the life of an abuser.
That's a rather serious accusation. It could apply to any of us, you and me included. Suffice to say that you do not inspire me to want to become Christian. It applies to whom it was posted.
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RE: The benefits of being christian. Where are there???
December 25, 2017 at 5:47 pm
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(December 25, 2017 at 5:38 pm)Cyberman Wrote: (December 25, 2017 at 3:50 pm)Starhunter Wrote: What you are saying is that critical thinking is a way of defining what already is discovered and agreed on, in other words it is trying to state m the obvious...
It's actually the precise opposite of that:
OMG! Please watch this, Starhunter. It made my point a hell of a lot better than I did.
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RE: The benefits of being christian. Where are there???
December 25, 2017 at 5:48 pm
(December 25, 2017 at 3:50 pm)Starhunter Wrote: (December 25, 2017 at 10:58 am)Grandizer Wrote: Read this too many times and still makes no sense to me. Sorry, I messed that one up.
What I was trying to say is, the most complex and important things in life occur without critical thinking, so what makes you think that critical thinking is the way to find the answers to some of life's big questions?
(December 25, 2017 at 10:50 am)Mermaid Wrote: Yyyyeah. That's not gonna hold water with me.
You have a nice holiday, too though.
Why, may I ask?
(December 25, 2017 at 11:13 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: I think what SH is saying is that one arrives at religious truths without critical thinking, much the same way that a baby is produced without critical thinking. What his proposition fails to recognize, however, is that critical thinking prevents error by subjecting all ideas to scrutiny. Critical thinking isn't about producing an idea. It's about finding the right idea. He thinks critical thinking is like "inventing" or "giving birth to" ideas-- no. It's a process whereby an idea's validity is tested.
IMO (assuming that I have correctly interpreted SH's statement) it is a bad analogy.
Where do Christians get this idea? Anyone who has suffered a traumatic event which caused them to commit suicide was "given more than they could handle" by my definition. It happens, too.
https://www.ptsd.va.gov/professional/co-...uicide.asp
"God" gives people more than they can handle all the time. When Christians claim this, does it come with a footnote? (Christians work better with editing powers, don't cha know.)
"Do not bear false witness [unless you don't like the guy or he has offended you]"
"Give away all your wealth [unless you like having your wealth around]"
"Judge not [if it is September 26th 1964 at 3:29 PM and you're standing in the shade, otherwise judge all you want]"
Something like that...thanks anyway.
What you are saying is that critical thinking is a way of defining what already is discovered and agreed on, in other words it is trying to state the obvious, which is fine with me, but when it tries to define the mysteries of the universe... I am thinking about the guessing that's going on in what they would like to call science. Anyway, that's another page, or book rather, to write about.
As for suffering, the world is not short of suffering by any means, and I have met people whose lives go beyond words... but I have also seen children/people in the worst cases rise above their situation, though it may have taken them a lifetime. I know of a situation where every child under the same conditions, handled it differently, though given the same opportunities as adults to deal with their past. It is interesting that the weakest shild, became the strongest, by not rejecting Jesus Christ, and that person became instrumental in helping the sibllings, psychologically and spiritually. After many years, the entire family began to heal, from anxieties and habits of transferring unresolved pain.
All had contemplated suicide for most of their lives. But the most damaged child, figured out that it is better to surrender to Christ than to death. And that Jesus is the perfect example of a life of selflessness, of self sacrifice for others. Sinners balk at this, becaue they are self centered. It takes real love to surrender to God, but it only takes a hasty plan to kill oneself.
(December 25, 2017 at 2:15 pm)Hammy Wrote: I love ...
My bold...
You are not who you pose to be on this forum, and that you play games with people's minds on different forums, as a different character, as I have always suspected. You like to take the extremes in any situation and flaunt them, in order to create what your superior (control) knows as the Hegelian dialectic.
What you are doing now, will be better understood and exposed to the world in general in the near future, and the authorities will take the right action against the likes of you, but at the moment you are enjoying the life of an abuser.
I'm not sure what you mean by this, but having talked to Ham outside of these forums, I don't get the sense that he's "not who he poses to be." Why do you feel he Is? I don't understand.
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RE: The benefits of being christian. Where are there???
December 25, 2017 at 5:49 pm
Quote:You have never been allowed to experience anything that you could not handle
Except for the ones that die young, and in pain, despite being a christian with christian family members?
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RE: The benefits of being christian. Where are there???
December 25, 2017 at 5:50 pm
(December 25, 2017 at 5:42 pm)Starhunter Wrote: (December 25, 2017 at 5:30 pm)Astreja Wrote: That's a rather serious accusation. It could apply to any of us, you and me included. Suffice to say that you do not inspire me to want to become Christian. It applies to whom it was posted.
Why?
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: The benefits of being christian. Where are there???
December 25, 2017 at 5:59 pm
(December 25, 2017 at 5:38 pm)Cyberman Wrote: (December 25, 2017 at 3:50 pm)Starhunter Wrote: What you are saying is that critical thinking is a way of defining what already is discovered and agreed on, in other words it is trying to state the obvious...
It's actually the precise opposite of that: video
A really good video, thanks.
It confirms what I thought. It's the great humanistic pill that nearly all will swallow...
It counts on two things, that the human mind is the ultimate criterion for knowledge and understanding, and that society will determine what clear thinking is.
It also finishes beautifuly with the ideaology of the "collective future."
Wow, thanks for that, I'll be sharing it right away with people who know what the future holds.
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