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Prayer
#21
RE: Prayer
(January 10, 2018 at 2:47 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:
(January 10, 2018 at 1:15 pm)c152 Wrote: God never heal amputees.

Didn't Peter cut off someones ear one time...

Heal actual amputees apart from in a highly dubious collection of edited and retold stories, since clarification was needed.
"History is something that very few people have been doing while everyone else was ploughing fields and carrying water buckets." -Yuval Noah Harari
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#22
RE: Prayer
(January 10, 2018 at 12:26 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Prayer does work, wether or not YOU believe it does is irrelevant, it's only relevant to the person doing the praying..

Fucking prove it.

Your claim, your burden.
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#23
RE: Prayer
(January 10, 2018 at 2:47 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:
(January 10, 2018 at 12:45 pm)J a c k Wrote:





(January 10, 2018 at 12:45 pm)J a c k Wrote:





(January 10, 2018 at 1:15 pm)c152 Wrote:





(January 10, 2018 at 1:28 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: Two years ago, a member of the church where I work was diagnosed with colon cancer.  He was a brilliant 28-year-old cardiologist with a wife a new baby.
Not only did the church pray for him, the Diocese prayed for him, area Protestant Churches also added him to their list, and the churches of his co-workers did as well.
He was taken to the best doctors and clinics in the USA, and had at least one group prayer and anointing each week.  
He died.  Just as if nobody had been praying.  Now, all that prayer probably made his parents and brothers feel a bit better, maybe, but I dare anyone to go to his
6' 6" father and say "sorry, this must have been God's will and you'll find out why some day".   Yeah, I wonder how many millions of people it would take to get any actual proof of a God?

Catholics don't believe in "faith healing" beyond the Apostolic era...

Really?  Someone should tell our Diocese.  They hold monthly healing services with prayer and anointing.  They also take the prayer and smelly oil into the hospitals.
But you're right, nobody expects it to IMMEDIATELY take, and the sick person to jump up and shout Puh-RAISE Juh-HEEZUS!!!!
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
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#24
RE: Prayer
(January 10, 2018 at 2:20 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:
(January 10, 2018 at 2:13 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: What is your evidence in support of your belief that prayer works?

I recall my fuzzy memories from Huggy's fuzzier logic and argument, I think it basically boils down to something like the placebo effect = faith/prayer healing.  Because the placebo effect is phenomenon we don't exactly understand, then it fits under the category of faith healing for Huggy.

god is a sugar pill. Yea! I can get those at the store.
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#25
RE: Prayer
(January 10, 2018 at 3:28 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:
(January 10, 2018 at 12:26 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Prayer does work, wether or not YOU believe it does is irrelevant, it's only relevant to the person doing the praying..

Fucking prove it.

Your claim, your burden.
"If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross"...

Read that statement you quoted from me carefully.

(January 10, 2018 at 3:37 pm)drfuzzy Wrote:
(January 10, 2018 at 2:47 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:












Catholics don't believe in "faith healing" beyond the Apostolic era...

Really?  Someone should tell our Diocese.  They hold monthly healing services with prayer and anointing.  They also take the prayer and smelly oil into the hospitals.
But you're right, nobody expects it to IMMEDIATELY take, and the sick person to jump up and shout Puh-RAISE Juh-HEEZUS!!!!

http://www.rosarychurch.net/answers/qa052001c.html

Quote:Question: Why don't priests heal the sick as our Lord and the Apostles did?

Answer:  The charism (spiritual gift) of healing, together with the various other charismatic gifts about which we read in the New Testament did not generally continue much beyond the apostolic era. Presumably, they were given to the Apostles as a means of getting the Church established quickly. By the time Christianity became legal in the Empire, most accounts of spiritual healing are attributed to the Blessed Virgin or to other saints in heaven. Only rarely do we read of living saints with the power to heal, and even more rarely are their healings more than isolated instances.1
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#26
RE: Prayer
@Huggy74 "Force powers were the manifestations of a Jedi, Sith, or other Force-adept's connection with the Force, an energy field that binds everything in existence. These powers were supernatural abilities not described by scientists. The powers were usually taught by Force-using organizations, but there were examples of individual, self-improving methods of learning to use the Force".
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#27
RE: Prayer
So it was reported to work once and now is unreliable. Sounds like homeopathy.

The placebo affect is understood, mindfulness I get, prayer is both un-evidenced and morally unfair. Can you work out why?
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#28
RE: Prayer
(January 10, 2018 at 3:54 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: @Huggy74 "Force powers were the manifestations of a Jedi, Sith, or other Force-adept's connection with the Force, an energy field that binds everything in existence. These powers were supernatural abilities not described by scientists. The powers were usually taught by Force-using organizations, but there were examples of individual, self-improving methods of learning to use the Force".

Except science acknowledges unequivocal that healing can be accomplished solely based on belief, so were not talking about anything remotely similar are we?
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#29
RE: Prayer
"Man, I'm so happy by doctor prescribed me church and prayer to cure this cancer of mine" - no one, ever, in the course of history.
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#30
RE: Prayer
(January 10, 2018 at 4:08 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:
(January 10, 2018 at 3:54 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: @Huggy74 "Force powers were the manifestations of a Jedi, Sith, or other Force-adept's connection with the Force, an energy field that binds everything in existence. These powers were supernatural abilities not described by scientists. The powers were usually taught by Force-using organizations, but there were examples of individual, self-improving methods of learning to use the Force".

Except science acknowledges unequivocal that healing can be accomplished solely based on belief, so were not talking about anything remotely similar are we?

Bullshit, science shows that remission of illness can occur and because we are somewhat complex a reason may not be evident.

The placebo effect and remission are not equal to magic; just that the cause is not known.

No magic required, and further investigation may have been able to elucidate the cause. We are normally just happy for a recovered person and then move onto somebody still in distress.

Lack of data does not equal correlation.
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