Some countries literally are shitholes

[henryp]

The problem is that liberals are really bad at picking fights.

The 'shithole countries' debate should be about 'why do we want these people...' half of the statement. There's a humanitarian argument to be made there. Instead it's "Haiti isn't a shithole!" Even though it's one of the worst countries in the world. As Alpha said, it's literally got a shit problem as the Cholera problem shows. The crazy amounts of rape and child slavery stuff isn't great. It's a shithole. But that's there line in the sand was inexplicably drawn.

We saw the same thing with Michael Sam. Trying to be first openly gay NFL'r. Nobody wanted to draft him because he wasn't good enough. Left accuses NFL of not wanting him because he's gay.

Colin Kaepernick is a bad QB but right on kneeling is a solid position. But left says people are racist for not wanting him as their starting QB.

Ghostbusters was all girls, which is good, but the movie itself was really bad. But left says it was amazing, and you only didn't like it because you're sexist.

Chik Fil A guy donates to some anti-gay causes, which is fine to complain about. But then they start saying the chicken sandwiches are gross despite them clearly being amazingly delicious.

Louis CK isn't funny any more. Woody Allen movies are garbage. And on and on.

They always seem to tack on these weird indefensible positions to their causes for no reason. I'll never understand why.

[Amarok]

No one said these are not bad countries to live in. The point is living in a bad country is not a justification for denying people .

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We saw the same thing with Michael Sam. Trying to be first openly gay NFL'r. Nobody wanted to draft him because he wasn't good enough. Left accuses NFL of not wanting him because he's gay. 

Colin Kaepernick is a bad QB but right on kneeling is a solid position. But left says people are racist for not wanting him as their starting QB.

Ghostbusters was all girls, which is good, but the movie itself was really bad. But left says it was amazing, and you only didn't like it because you're sexist.

Chik Fil A guy donates to some anti-gay causes, which is fine to complain about. But then they start saying the chicken sandwiches are gross despite them clearly being amazingly delicious.

Louis CK isn't funny any more. Woody Allen movies are garbage. And on and on. 

All this is pure bullshit

[Brian37]

The problem is that liberals are really bad at picking fights.  

The 'shithole countries' debate should be about 'why do we want these people...' half of the statement.  There's a humanitarian argument to be made there.  Instead it's "Haiti isn't a shithole!"  Even though it's one of the worst countries in the world.  As Alpha said, it's literally got a shit problem as the Cholera problem shows.  The crazy amounts of rape and child slavery stuff isn't great.  It's a shithole.  But that's there line in the sand was inexplicably drawn.

We saw the same thing with Michael Sam.  Trying to be first openly gay NFL'r.  Nobody wanted to draft him because he wasn't good enough.  Left accuses NFL of not wanting him because he's gay.  

Colin Kaepernick is a bad QB but right on kneeling is a solid position.  But left says people are racist for not wanting him as their starting QB.

Ghostbusters was all girls, which is good, but the movie itself was really bad.  But left says it was amazing, and you only didn't like it because you're sexist.

Chik Fil A guy donates to some anti-gay causes, which is fine to complain about.  But then they start saying the chicken sandwiches are gross despite them clearly being amazingly delicious.

Louis CK isn't funny any more.  Woody Allen movies are garbage.  And on and on.  

They always seem to tack on these weird indefensible positions to their causes for no reason.  I'll never understand why.

No, liberals are not picking bad fights, the GOP got a dangerous asshole put in office. We damned sure DO know what fights we are picking.

[Catholic_Lady]

Wally is right. We should be concerned about how we can help the people of Haiti rather than be outraged at the (true) comment that Haiti is a terrible country.

[Amarok]

Their is no reason people can't do both . And he was not just talking about the place . He was talking about the people.

 “Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?

[Brian37]

Wally is right. We should be concerned about how we can help the people of Haiti rather than be outraged at the (true) comment that Haiti is a terrible country.

Bullshit, the GOP is in charge right now, those are the assholes who pander to bigots. Hard to get anything done for minorities with that lot in charge. 

AND AGAIN he did not mean "poorer" when he said that, he meant  "not white".

[Amarok]

Wally is right. We should be concerned about how we can help the people of Haiti rather than be outraged at the (true) comment that Haiti is a terrible country.

Bullshit, the GOP is in charge right now, those are the assholes who pander to bigots. Hard to get anything done for minorities with that lot in charge. 

AND AGAIN he did not mean "poorer" when he said that, he meant  "not white".

Yup . Which is why he the pointed to a majority white like Norway It has fuck all to do with poverty.

I don't know how many more times he needs to bash a majority coloured country before people catch on .

[henryp]

Their is no reason people can't do both . And he was not just talking about the place . He was talking about the people.

 “Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?

As a rule of thumb, doesn't it make sense, if you are picking randomly rather than merit-based, to prefer people from the best country in the world rather than the worst?  Isn't that just an issue of probability?

If we switched to merit based, then the Haitians who would be a great addition to the US should absolutely make the cut.  But that's not how it works.  Instead it's random, and random from countries with the amount of child rape/child slavery/violence/poor education/poverty/illness/etc... is bad for the US.

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Bullshit, the GOP is in charge right now, those are the assholes who pander to bigots. Hard to get anything done for minorities with that lot in charge. 

AND AGAIN he did not mean "poorer" when he said that, he meant  "not white".

Yup . Which is why he the pointed to a majority white like Norway It has fuck all to do with poverty.

I don't know how many more times he needs to bash a majority coloured country before people catch on .

The history of the world has been unkind to people of color.  A 15yo gang member isn't a gang member just because he made a bad choice.  That's the product of centuries of oppression and injustice.  At the same time, not wanting to hire him as your babysitter doesn't make you a racist.

If you want to reverse it, I'm never picking a graduate from some shitty community college in Iowa over a graduate from any of the historical black colleges.  It's not a matter of race.  It's just probabilities.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I think something has been missed (or at least not talked about enough) in this entire kerfuffle. 

The issue isn't that Trump used the word 'shithole' to describe the countries in question.  The issue isn't even whether some or all of these countries qualify as shitholes.  The issue as I see it can be split into two parts: Trump's ignorance and Trump's racism.

Ignorance:  Yet again, Trump doesn't seem to grasp what his new job, and even his country, is supposed to be about.  For the best part of two centuries, you lot have held yourselves out as a beacon of hope, opportunity and freedom to people from other countries, people that are having a harder go of it than any of us can probably imagine.  People from Haiti want to go to the US because of how they are forced to live - people from Norway are significantly less motivated to do so.  Sick, starving, oppressed people probably dream of a chance to make it to the US for a shot at a better life.  And they dream that because of what they've been told.  'Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free' isn't just a few lines on that statue - it is the implicit promise that the US has offered for generations.  Trump lack of empathy for people who weren't born with a silver spoon in their mouths is bad enough, but it is even worse, even more demeaning, even more frightening is that he lacks a basic grasp of America's history and image that has made your country a goal for the world's most unfortunate.

Racism:  'Why can't we get more people from places like Norway?'  All he knows about Norwegians is that they tend to be tall, blonde and blue-eyed.  He didn't ask, 'Why can't we get more engineers and scientists?' or 'Why can't we get more people with financial degrees?'.  He wants more people from countries with demographics that are overwhelmingly white.  Forget about a potential immigrant's education, work ethic, criminal history - all that matters to Trump is that they have the proper melanin deficiency.

Ignorant, racist, heartless, cruel and cowardly.  Good luck with him, America.

Boru

[Amarok]

The history of the world has been unkind to people of color.  A 15yo gang member isn't a gang member just because he made a bad choice.  That's the product of centuries of oppression and injustice.  At the same time, not wanting to hire him as your babysitter doesn't make you a racist.

Pure xenophobic crap . Not to mention this is a retarded comparison .

If you want to reverse it, I'm never picking a graduate from some shitty community college in Iowa over a graduate from any of the historical black colleges.  It's not a matter of race.  It's just probabilities

No it's a matter of race . But more trying to cloak racism in rationalization

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I think something has been missed (or at least not talked about enough) in this entire kerfuffle. 

The issue isn't that Trump used the word 'shithole' to describe the countries in question.  The issue isn't even whether some or all of these countries qualify as shitholes.  The issue as I see it can be split into two parts: Trump's ignorance and Trump's racism.

Ignorance:  Yet again, Trump doesn't seem to grasp what his new job, and even his country, is supposed to be about.  For the best part of two centuries, you lot have held yourselves out as a beacon of hope, opportunity and freedom to people from other countries, people that are having a harder go of it than any of us can probably imagine.  People from Haiti want to go to the US because of how they are forced to live - people from Norway are significantly less motivated to do so.  Sick, starving, oppressed people probably dream of a chance to make it to the US for a shot at a better life.  And they dream that because of what they've been told.  'Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free' isn't just a few lines on that statue - it is the implicit promise that the US has offered for generations.  Trump lack of empathy for people who weren't born with a silver spoon in their mouths is bad enough, but it is even worse, even more demeaning, even more frightening is that he lacks a basic grasp of America's history and image that has made your country a goal for the world's most unfortunate.

Racism:  'Why can't we get more people from places like Norway?'  All he knows about Norwegians is that they tend to be tall, blonde and blue-eyed.  He didn't ask, 'Why can't we get more engineers and scientists?' or 'Why can't we get more people with financial degrees?'.  He wants more people from countries with demographics that are overwhelmingly white.  Forget about a potential immigrant's education, work ethic, criminal history - all that matters to Trump is that they have the proper melanin deficiency.

Ignorant, racist, heartless, cruel and cowardly.  Good luck with him, America.

Boru

Agreed it just so happens he bashes countries that just so happen to be majority non white. just so happens to praise a country made up of white people as a majority.