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RE: No point in eternal agony
January 23, 2018 at 3:29 pm
(January 23, 2018 at 1:48 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: If someone said "I don't believe this Kevin fellow exists," I'm sure that someone would be able to provide pretty solid proof that, yes, I am here. Certainly better proof than any god enjoys.
But even if that person persisted in their disbelief of me, I wouldn't be so offended that I'd seek to punish them. I'd laugh, shrug, and go about my business like usual.
That the disbelief of insignificant mortal creatures means anything to a god is laughable. I care not if the ants in my back yard notice my presence. I certainly don't want their worship, let alone want to spend eternity with them, or waste my time picking the 'good' ones from the 'bad' ones in order to do it.
For any Christian or one who opposes it; who thinks this.... you really should read the Bible or find a better place to get your information.
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RE: No point in eternal agony
January 23, 2018 at 3:57 pm
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I've tried to read the bible several times. Couldn't make it through Genesis. It's just so boring, and as a skeptic, I think to myself "prove it" with just about every line read.
EDIT: Despite that, I'm not entirely sure where I'm supposedly wrong. Christians talk about their god being the Father all the time. Not just Jesus's father, but the father of all creation. It's not like I'm pulling the notion out of my ass... its your own metaphor.
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RE: No point in eternal agony
January 23, 2018 at 4:21 pm
(January 23, 2018 at 3:57 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: I've tried to read the bible several times. Couldn't make it through Genesis. It's just so boring, and as a skeptic, I think to myself "prove it" with just about every line read.
That seems like a pretty crappy excuse... the question would seem to be now that you know about your ignorance, do you keep doing the same thing?
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RE: No point in eternal agony
January 23, 2018 at 4:31 pm
Why should anyone care about what the Bible says in the first place? I’m still waiting for a good answer to this question.
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RE: No point in eternal agony
January 23, 2018 at 4:37 pm
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(January 23, 2018 at 3:29 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: For any Christian or one who opposes it; who thinks this.... you really should read the Bible or find a better place to get your information.
If "go read the bible !!!" actually answered anyone's questions then why has all the bible reading by bible believing christians managed to produce nothing other than confusion and disagreement?
It seems like a silly suggestion...it;s not even working for you.
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RE: No point in eternal agony
January 23, 2018 at 4:46 pm
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I notice he didn't address my edit. Funny, that 
Of course, like Khem notes, it's not like the bible seems to be clear on, well, anything. If it was, there wouldn't be all this hot, sloppy, sects.
EDIT: the bible starts with "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." Prove it. And, I don't mean give me a seven day recipe that's really just a backwards litany of what ancient man noticed about their little slice of the earth. That's not compelling in the least, especially since Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 swap some of the details around ("but it's allegory!" According to some, but not all. And it's not like it being an allegory helps, since it all reduces down to "God did it" anyway. Bah!).
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RE: No point in eternal agony
January 23, 2018 at 4:52 pm
(January 23, 2018 at 4:37 pm)Khemikal Wrote: (January 23, 2018 at 3:29 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: For any Christian or one who opposes it; who thinks this.... you really should read the Bible or find a better place to get your information.
If "go read the bible !!!" actually answered anyone's questions then why has all the bible reading by bible believing christians managed to produce nothing other than confusion and disagreement?
It seems like a silly suggestion...it;s not even working for you.
I don't think that it is that much of a problem on many things.
When scientist or philosophers have disagreements do you feel the same?
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RE: No point in eternal agony
January 23, 2018 at 4:52 pm
(January 23, 2018 at 4:31 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Why should anyone care about what the Bible says in the first place? I’m still waiting for a good answer to this question.
Because your eternal soul, for which there is absolutely 0 evidence of, is at risk, duh. 
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RE: No point in eternal agony
January 23, 2018 at 4:56 pm
(January 23, 2018 at 4:31 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Why should anyone care about what the Bible says in the first place? I’m still waiting for a good answer to this question.
If it is true, then I would think that you should care..... however that is up to you.
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RE: No point in eternal agony
January 23, 2018 at 5:03 pm
That sounds a little too much like Pascal’s Wager, and not much like a substantive answer, RR.
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