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(February 24, 2018 at 9:28 am)purplepurpose Wrote: I believe that I need to be concerned with simple survival. Afterlife magical themes anger me.
And that's why you rebel against God ideas?
(February 24, 2018 at 9:42 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: I want to believe as many true things, and as few false things as possible.
That's positive.
So do you think rebellion against God is part of rejecting the false, or is that still up for debate?
I don’t believe that a god exists at all, so that question is meaningless for me. If someone could provide evidence and reason to believe in a god, then I’d believe.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
February 24, 2018 at 4:34 pm (This post was last modified: February 24, 2018 at 5:22 pm by Banned.)
(February 24, 2018 at 1:42 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: ...I apparently missed all those dozens of posts that had nothing to do with your religion.
The posts that I HAVE read, though, have all been about trying to convince us that your religious views are correct. So if you aren't trying to preach, (which is ridiculous because by your posts you ARE preaching and disrespecting anyone who disagrees with your positions) then you are here trying to collect atheist responses to find out how you can WIN.
That makes you a delusional, egotistical, breathing pile of shit and a waste of oxygen.
I could talk about football, but the Atheists keep reminding me of God.
That could be my fault for hanging around the many discussions with those topics.
(February 24, 2018 at 11:25 am)Crossless2.0 Wrote: *Bolding mine*
What evidence can you produce to support the bolded portion?
By that, I don't mean 'what does your holy book say'.
Sophistication, complexity and wisdom come from intelligence and power.
What did it take to write your comment?
It has taken an extremely sophisticated creature, a human being, with experience and skill, accumulated over years, reasoning capabilities, organisation, time, proper circumstance, will, vision and intent, well formed habits, equipment, which itself is a product of great energy and intelligent design, and a million other factors to write a comment on AF.
The greater part of the equation - your life, intelligence and experience, has produced the lesser in a short time, so short by comparison, that it is practically instantaneous.
The greater the creator, the less time and energy it takes to produce a creation.
Things of valuable complexity, do not, can not, have not, and will never come from something less.
(February 24, 2018 at 4:33 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: I don’t believe that a god exists at all, so that question is meaningless for me. If someone could provide evidence and reason to believe in a god, then I’d believe.
You have a mind which is able to ruminate on these things, but if you don't realize the significance of that, then the very instrument by which you may perceive the evidence isn't being used correctly.
"Having eyes they see not, and having ears they hear not."
...I apparently missed all those dozens of posts that had nothing to do with your religion.
The posts that I HAVE read, though, have all been about trying to convince us that your religious views are correct. So if you aren't trying to preach, (which is ridiculous because by your posts you ARE preaching and disrespecting anyone who disagrees with your positions) then you are here trying to collect atheist responses to find out how you can WIN.
That makes you a delusional, egotistical, breathing pile of shit and a waste of oxygen.
I could talk about football, but the Atheists keep reminding me of God.
That could be my fault for hanging around the many discussions with those topics.
(February 24, 2018 at 11:25 am)Crossless2.0 Wrote:
*Bolding mine*
What evidence can you produce to support the bolded portion?
By that, I don't mean 'what does your holy book say'.
Sophistication, complexity and wisdom come from intelligence and power.
What did it take to write your comment?
It has taken an extremely sophisticated creature, a human being, with experience and skill, accumulated over years, reasoning capabilities, organisation, time, proper circumstance, will, vision and intent, well formed habits, equipment, which itself is a product of great energy and intelligent design, and a million other factors to write a comment on AF.
The greater part of the equation - your life, intelligence and experience, has produced the lesser in a short time, so short by comparison, that it is practically instantaneous.
The greater the creator, the less time and energy it takes to produce a creation.
Things of valuable complexity, do not, can not, have not, and will never come from something less.
(February 24, 2018 at 4:33 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: I don’t believe that a god exists at all, so that question is meaningless for me. If someone could provide evidence and reason to believe in a god, then I’d believe.
You have a mind which is able to ruminate on these things, but if you don't realize the significance of that, then the very instrument by which you may perceive the evidence isn't being used correctly.
"Having eyes they see not, and having ears they hear not."
My eyes see just fine. Have your deity show up in person for all to see, and the eyes will work. My ears work too. Have the deity speak for all to hear and it will be heard. The mind, however, can create anything it wants. Therefore, fantasy is not evidence. May the flying spaghetti monster have pity on your black egotistical delusions.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
(February 24, 2018 at 4:34 pm)Banned Wrote: "Having eyes they see not, and having ears they hear not."
My eyes see just fine. Have your deity show up in person for all to see, and the eyes will work. My ears work too. Have the deity speak for all to hear and it will be heard. The mind, however, can create anything it wants. Therefore, fantasy is not evidence. May the flying spaghetti monster have pity on your black egotistical delusions.
The text isn't talking about your orbits, but what's behind.
If all of reality can only be defined by what you see, then you couldn't be having much of a love life, which probably explains why you need to slag and vent on those you imagine are worthy of it.
It's called transferring.
And all that does is reveal your insides.
But you don't have to worry about hiding, as you have made it very clear that people like you only believe what they see anyway.
February 24, 2018 at 7:06 pm (This post was last modified: February 24, 2018 at 7:07 pm by Cyberman.)
Banned, is there something in your special book that says you have to go out of your way to be a cunt all the time? Have you ever considered, you know, having a proper, grown-up, civil conversation?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
(February 24, 2018 at 1:42 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: ...I apparently missed all those dozens of posts that had nothing to do with your religion.
The posts that I HAVE read, though, have all been about trying to convince us that your religious views are correct. So if you aren't trying to preach, (which is ridiculous because by your posts you ARE preaching and disrespecting anyone who disagrees with your positions) then you are here trying to collect atheist responses to find out how you can WIN.
That makes you a delusional, egotistical, breathing pile of shit and a waste of oxygen.
I could talk about football, but the Atheists keep reminding me of God.
That could be my fault for hanging around the many discussions with those topics.
(February 24, 2018 at 11:25 am)Crossless2.0 Wrote: *Bolding mine*
What evidence can you produce to support the bolded portion?
By that, I don't mean 'what does your holy book say'.
Sophistication, complexity and wisdom come from intelligence and power.
What did it take to write your comment?
It has taken an extremely sophisticated creature, a human being, with experience and skill, accumulated over years, reasoning capabilities, organisation, time, proper circumstance, will, vision and intent, well formed habits, equipment, which itself is a product of great energy and intelligent design, and a million other factors to write a comment on AF.
The greater part of the equation - your life, intelligence and experience, has produced the lesser in a short time, so short by comparison, that it is practically instantaneous.
The greater the creator, the less time and energy it takes to produce a creation.
Things of valuable complexity, do not, can not, have not, and will never come from something less.
(February 24, 2018 at 4:33 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: I don’t believe that a god exists at all, so that question is meaningless for me. If someone could provide evidence and reason to believe in a god, then I’d believe.
You have a mind which is able to ruminate on these things, but if you don't realize the significance of that, then the very instrument by which you may perceive the evidence isn't being used correctly.
"Having eyes they see not, and having ears they hear not."
So why is your god not posting here? Is your god insufficiently equipped? Does not have the wherewithall to compete? Has insufficient knowledge or power to respond in any way?
OK, you believe in an ineffectual god, may he/she/it/housecat strike me down.....waits......Nothing happened. Why did nothing happen? Can you answer that? I think you can't, because your god is stuck in some iron age fiasco. If I am wrong, let god show me the error of my ways. Nothing to say, god? OK, case proven.
Moving along, why is it that you can produce nothing from god and atheists have to remind you that your claims are about the god nobody believes in? You don't believe in it either. You are unable to determine if you beleive in bible god, or some sect of bible god or some peculiar god you made up.
By now, you are not even a christian, since most of those would hold you to be a heretic.
February 24, 2018 at 8:08 pm (This post was last modified: February 24, 2018 at 8:09 pm by drfuzzy.)
(February 24, 2018 at 6:53 pm)Banned Wrote:
(February 24, 2018 at 6:17 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: My eyes see just fine. Have your deity show up in person for all to see, and the eyes will work. My ears work too. Have the deity speak for all to hear and it will be heard. The mind, however, can create anything it wants. Therefore, fantasy is not evidence. May the flying spaghetti monster have pity on your black egotistical delusions.
The text isn't talking about your orbits, but what's behind.
If all of reality can only be defined by what you see, then you couldn't be having much of a love life, which probably explains why you need to slag and vent on those you imagine are worthy of it.
It's called transferring.
And all that does is reveal your insides.
But you don't have to worry about hiding, as you have made it very clear that people like you only believe what they see anyway.
I'm not hiding. Of COURSE I only believe in what I see. I believe in what can be measured, documented, and verified.
-- What? A love life is based only upon fantasy? Well, that's just sad.
And I'm pretty sick of snake-oil salesmen disrespecting me because I don't share their fantasies and their imaginary friends.
All of that "you have to SEEK", "you have to PRAY", "you have to FEEL HIM IN YOUR HEART" is crap that only works in group-think tribal gatherings where people feed on each other's emotions and suspend critical thinking skills. And it's crap that is pure manipulation. Witch doctors have gotten away with that "believe me or burn" bullshit for thousands of years, and it's well beyond time for people listening to them to say "put up or shut up". PROVE IT.
Not a single preacher, Pope, Imam, Priest, Guru, etc., has been able to offer a single millisecond's worth of proof that a deity exists in the last 2000 years at least. The Pope has no proof. Prove it, without religious books or writings, without a human being yammering on about their fantasy witness stories, without "apologetics". If your God can't prove its own existence all by itself, it's not worth a moment's attention.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
(January 28, 2018 at 1:00 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: Fantasy scenario question to Min, Boru and other atheists. "Would you curse God or beg for mercy if you would end up in afterlife hell?".
I think, I would beg like little girl from the start.
Which god(s) there is many throughout humanities history.
February 24, 2018 at 9:44 pm (This post was last modified: February 24, 2018 at 9:45 pm by LadyForCamus.)
(February 24, 2018 at 4:34 pm)Banned Wrote:
(February 24, 2018 at 1:42 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: ...I apparently missed all those dozens of posts that had nothing to do with your religion.
The posts that I HAVE read, though, have all been about trying to convince us that your religious views are correct. So if you aren't trying to preach, (which is ridiculous because by your posts you ARE preaching and disrespecting anyone who disagrees with your positions) then you are here trying to collect atheist responses to find out how you can WIN.
That makes you a delusional, egotistical, breathing pile of shit and a waste of oxygen.
I could talk about football, but the Atheists keep reminding me of God.
That could be my fault for hanging around the many discussions with those topics.
(February 24, 2018 at 11:25 am)Crossless2.0 Wrote: *Bolding mine*
What evidence can you produce to support the bolded portion?
By that, I don't mean 'what does your holy book say'.
Sophistication, complexity and wisdom come from intelligence and power.
What did it take to write your comment?
It has taken an extremely sophisticated creature, a human being, with experience and skill, accumulated over years, reasoning capabilities, organisation, time, proper circumstance, will, vision and intent, well formed habits, equipment, which itself is a product of great energy and intelligent design, and a million other factors to write a comment on AF.
The greater part of the equation - your life, intelligence and experience, has produced the lesser in a short time, so short by comparison, that it is practically instantaneous.
The greater the creator, the less time and energy it takes to produce a creation.
Things of valuable complexity, do not, can not, have not, and will never come from something less.
(February 24, 2018 at 4:33 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: I don’t believe that a god exists at all, so that question is meaningless for me. If someone could provide evidence and reason to believe in a god, then I’d believe.
You have a mind which is able to ruminate on these things, but if you don't realize the significance of that, then the very instrument by which you may perceive the evidence isn't being used correctly.
"Having eyes they see not, and having ears they hear not."
My mind, which has the capacity to reason, critically think, and evaluate, understands that unevidenced supernatural claims can and should be rationally dismissed.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
February 24, 2018 at 9:56 pm (This post was last modified: February 24, 2018 at 10:13 pm by Banned.)
(February 24, 2018 at 8:08 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: I'm not hiding. Of COURSE I only believe in what I see. I believe in what can be measured, documented, and verified.
-- What? A love life is based only upon fantasy? Well, that's just sad.
And I'm pretty sick of snake-oil salesmen disrespecting me because I don't share their fantasies and their imaginary friends.
All of that "you have to SEEK", "you have to PRAY", "you have to FEEL HIM IN YOUR HEART" is crap that only works in group-think tribal gatherings where people feed on each other's emotions and suspend critical thinking skills. And it's crap that is pure manipulation. Witch doctors have gotten away with that "believe me or burn" bullshit for thousands of years, and it's well beyond time for people listening to them to say "put up or shut up". PROVE IT.
Not a single preacher, Pope, Imam, Priest, Guru, etc., has been able to offer a single millisecond's worth of proof that a deity exists in the last 2000 years at least. The Pope has no proof. Prove it, without religious books or writings, without a human being yammering on about their fantasy witness stories, without "apologetics". If your God can't prove its own existence all by itself, it's not worth a moment's attention.
If you don't have anything to do with the above, you should be fairly contented I'd imagine, but your language says otherwise.
(February 24, 2018 at 9:44 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: My mind, which has the capacity to reason, critically think, and evaluate, understands that unevidenced supernatural claims can and should be rationally dismissed.
Like a work of art that has no artist if the artist can't be seen.
Or a book that has no author, if he or she doesn't show up on demand by those who would like to burn the book.
(February 24, 2018 at 7:10 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Moving along, why is it that you can produce nothing from god and atheists have to remind you that your claims are about the god nobody believes in? You don't believe in it either. You are unable to determine if you beleive in bible god, or some sect of bible god or some peculiar god you made up.
By now, you are not even a christian, since most of those would hold you to be a heretic.
So barging into people's doors as a JW didn't work for you, but now as a confused atheist you claim to know what Christianity is?
