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Rebellion against god
RE: Rebellion against god
(March 1, 2018 at 1:38 am)Banned Wrote:
(February 28, 2018 at 10:07 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: The proof that Bible has no truth is that it has never been historically proved (just like "Lord Of The Rings" saga) and "divisions among men" come from contradictions inside it.

He obviously didn't because honest people that analyze the Bible and try to live by it can't agree, just like they can't agree on myriad of other things.

If people have reading and comprehension fails of the Bible, it is really their problem. A person may be honest, but that doesn't mean they can't get things wrong.

The Bible isn't an ordinary book.

Needles to say that is very arrogant, but I guess it's not stunning since christian mentality is very arrogant from the get go: to think that some god would answer your prayers when he let 6 million of praying people die in the holocaust is epitome of arrogance; so no wonder that you think that majority of Christians (which are in billions) have reading disorder and that's why they are wrong doing "wrong" stuff like celebrating Sunday instead of Saturday like you do - you simply have no limits to your arrogance and fanaticism.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Rebellion against god
(March 1, 2018 at 4:48 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:
(March 1, 2018 at 1:38 am)Banned Wrote: If people have reading and comprehension fails of the Bible, it is really their problem. A person may be honest, but that doesn't mean they can't get things wrong.

The Bible isn't an ordinary book.

Needles to say that is very arrogant, but I guess it's not stunning since christian mentality is very arrogant from the get go: to think that some god would answer your prayers when he let 6 million of praying people die in the holocaust is epitome of arrogance; so no wonder that you think that majority of Christians (which are in billions) have reading disorder and that's why they are wrong doing "wrong" stuff like celebrating Sunday instead of Saturday like you do - you simply have no limits to your arrogance and fanaticism.

Why single out a WWII prison scenario? Why not bring to view the communist regoime which killed well over 350 million?
Can you afford to be so selective in your thinking if you are going to tackle global issues?

As for the Bible teaching on the Sabbath, I can't take any credit for that, I never wrote the Bible.
If you are going to use the sledge hammer approach, you will need the right focus to be able to hit the right target, otherwise you'll just waste a whole lot of energy.
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RE: Rebellion against god
(March 1, 2018 at 7:07 am)Banned Wrote: Why single out a WWII prison scenario? Why not bring to view the communist regoime which killed well over 350 million?

Yes another deadly religion

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(March 1, 2018 at 7:07 am)Banned Wrote: As for the Bible teaching on the Sabbath, I can't take any credit for that, I never wrote the Bible.
If you are going to use the sledge hammer approach, you will need the right focus to be able to hit the right target, otherwise you'll just waste a whole lot of energy.

Hey you didn't wrote it but you read it that way while over 90% of other Christians read it other way, I'm not saying that anyone is right I'm just saying same book different conclusions - because book is flawed and contradictory.

And when it comes to your "exalted" interpretation of the Bible it's really more then arrogant considering that you're following a guy that reading the Bible predicted world will end in 19th century.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Rebellion against god
(March 1, 2018 at 1:38 am)Banned Wrote:
(February 28, 2018 at 9:29 pm)Cyberman Wrote: Actually I'm an Administrator, which is like a super-moderator. Also I'm not obliged to prove what I haven't done; if you think I'm guilty of doing what you accuse, you pony up the evidence.

You could try reporting me for misconduct.

It's your world.

Meaningless. Either you substantiate your accusations or you apologise for them. I don't care which.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Rebellion against god
(March 1, 2018 at 1:38 am)Banned Wrote:
(February 28, 2018 at 8:04 pm)Astreja Wrote: How do you propose to make restitution?

Restitution. Make a wish list.

Are you sure you want me to make up that list?  *evil grin*

Let's start with something simple.  How about this:  You go 24 hours without quoting the Bible at us, and use that time to try to see things from our POV, without assuming that somehow Satan is making us think that way.  We have good reasons for feeling the way we do about religions and gods, and until you can see both sides of the issue impartially you are just going to irritate people with your preaching.

Give it a try.
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RE: Rebellion against god
(March 1, 2018 at 9:59 am)Astreja Wrote:
(March 1, 2018 at 1:38 am)Banned Wrote: Restitution. Make a wish list.

Are you sure you want me to make up that list?  *evil grin*

Let's start with something simple.  How about this:  You go 24 hours without quoting the Bible at us, and use that time to try to see things from our POV, without assuming that somehow Satan is making us think that way.  We have good reasons for feeling the way we do about religions and gods, and until you can see both sides of the issue impartially you are just going to irritate people with your preaching.

Give it a try.
Too late.  He hijacked this thread by starting with a string of offensive insults back on page 3 - - post number 29.  Which has been shortened, apparently, but the entire disgusting egotistical slur still exists in post number 30.  24 pages later, he's still talking about what his imaginary friend wants and what his silly little book says.  His very first post was irritating and insulting and he just keeps doubling down on the assholery.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
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RE: Rebellion against god
(March 1, 2018 at 10:44 am)drfuzzy Wrote: Too late.  He hijacked this thread by starting with a string of offensive insults back on page 3 - - post number 29.  Which has been shortened, apparently, but the entire disgusting egotistical slur still exists in post number 30.  24 pages later, he's still talking about what his imaginary friend wants and what his silly little book says.  His very first post was irritating and insulting and he just keeps doubling down on the assholery.

Ah, but I can use that 24-hour hiatus I'm giving him in order to refine my Secret Plan.   Big Grin

(Springy G starts rummaging through a Tickle Trunk of assorted arcane stuff left over from her woo-woo years...)
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RE: Rebellion against god
(March 1, 2018 at 8:28 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Hey you didn't write it but you read it that way while over 90% of other Christians read it other way, I'm not saying that anyone is right I'm just saying same book different conclusions - because book is flawed and contradictory.

And when it comes to your "exalted" interpretation of the Bible it's really more then arrogant considering that you're following a guy that reading the Bible predicted world will end in 19th century.

Surveys show that most people attending churches do not read the Bible at all.
It was interesting to find that out of those who read it on a regular basis - up to 60 % prefered the authentic version or the KJV.

(From my own observations, not one in a thousand professed believers have read the Bible from cover to cover.
Only 1:200 read it on a regular basis. !986 - 2010.)

Another survey found that some religions like the C of E, never read the Bible, unless it was on a bill board.

A few other surveys show similar figures. The highest scores of Bible reading are as follows in order, SDA, JW, fundamental Baptist, WW church of God, Baptist, Christadelphians, Exclusive Brethren, United churches and ecunenical congregations, Orthodox, Catholic and last of all Mormans.
The figures vary within each denomination as expected.

On average most people don't read the Bible at all, and have a scant knowledge which wouldn't even cover the four gospels.

Of the first 5 churches, 1:15 read the Bible on a regular basis, and 1:178 have read it from cover to cover.

Those figures indicate that most other churches do not have adequate knowledge to even comment on the basic Biblical doctrines.

Agreement on a doctrinal basis is fairly high amoung the 5 high scorers, often labelled as fundamentalists.
Doctrinal agreement is also high among the rest of nominal Christianity - which practically don't read the Bible at all.

This shows that a better knowledge of the Bible, will encourage agreement, and by the same token, a lack of Bible knowledge allows a general unity of the rest.

Understanding of the seventh day Sabbath is common among Bible readers, regardless of their religion. So SDA's are certainly not the only ones, they are out numbered by Christian Jews.

(March 1, 2018 at 9:59 am)Astreja Wrote:
(March 1, 2018 at 1:38 am)Banned Wrote: Restitution. Make a wish list.

Are you sure you want me to make up that list?  *evil grin*

Let's start with something simple.  How about this:  You go 24 hours without quoting the Bible at us, and use that time to try to see things from our POV, without assuming that somehow Satan is making us think that way.  We have good reasons for feeling the way we do about religions and gods, and until you can see both sides of the issue impartially you are just going to irritate people with your preaching.

Give it a try.

So basically you think that the only way that you will have a case is if I shut up?

OK.
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RE: Rebellion against god
(February 28, 2018 at 9:29 pm)Cyberman Wrote:
(February 28, 2018 at 5:48 pm)Banned Wrote: Aren't you a moderator? It can be done.
When you exaggerate and make blatantly false remarks, and call people *****, of course I'll be wondering what you are capable of.
And this comment will probably trigger for you to play the innocent and misunderstood role, or say that I have a victim mentality and a persecution complex.

Surprise me.

Actually I'm an Administrator, which is like a super-moderator. Also I'm not obliged to prove what I haven't done; if you think I'm guilty of doing what you accuse, you pony up the evidence.

You could try reporting me for misconduct.

He has a cape and everything.

I've seen it.

Though, Cyberman, you really should wear pants when flashing your cape at everyone.
Dying to live, living to die.
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RE: Rebellion against god
How do you determine that the KJV is the "authentic" version, how is it more authentic than any other Bible?

Also, what is a "Morman"? A male Mormon, perhaps? and if so then a female Mormon would be a Mormaid...
Jeff a.k.a. wheatpenny

"If God sends me to hell I will start a commune there. And it will be the greatest commune ever because all the best people will be there"
(Osho)
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