High school shooting in Parkland FL

[notimportant1234]

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The answer actually is: he would have slammed into brick or a concrete and nobody would've been hurt. Its easier to get a car rather than a gun (at least a tad) but he chose to use a gun. Guns are deadlier, easier, to kill, work better for the goals.

"Nobody would've been hurt" is distinctly overoptimistic. People get hurt in vehicle/building collisions. You're also assuming that he would not have expressed his murderous rage elsewhere. Of course guns are more efficient killing machines. My point is that too many people see further gun restrictions as a cure-all (see the 1234 guy above).




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I skipped this one sorry. It's not about a cure for all , this is a topic about SHOOTINGS , the best way to reduce SHOOTINGS is to gave stricter gun laws. 
It's not my fault that you and more guys on this topic went off topic to human condition and violence , wich are things that are beeing taclked for a long long time but somehow you will solve the problem in a few days ,  but please teach me master.

[henryp]

If we had all sorts of common sense gun laws including a ban on AR-15's, and this guy killed 7 kids with a handgun instead of 14, what would the discussion be?

[notimportant1234]

Let's eradicate all humans , problem solved.

If the goal is to eliminate gun deaths, that would be a comprehensive and viable solution.

If we had all sorts of common sense gun laws including a ban on AR-15's, and this guy killed 7 kids with a handgun instead of 14, what would the discussion be?

Depends , I don't care for the numbers , from my point of view it should be hard to get a handgun , but seriously a kid  bought a semi automatic rifle and went ape shit in a school , wtf ?

[Shell B]

If we had all sorts of common sense gun laws including a ban on AR-15's, and this guy killed 7 kids with a handgun instead of 14, what would the discussion be?

How you define common sense. Obviously, with good laws this joker wouldn't have been able to get his hands on a pistol.

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Let's eradicate all humans , problem solved.

If the goal is to eliminate gun deaths, that would be a comprehensive and viable solution.

As long as we don't use guns to do it.

[notimportant1234]

For those who say that the gun laws aren't the problem.
Listen to this logic. You can't buy alcohol until you are 21 in the USA but somehow you can buy a semi automatic rifle at 19, the best gun laws in the world.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

For those who say that the gun laws aren't the problem.
Listen to this logic. You can't buy alcohol until you are 21 in the USA but somehow you can buy a semi automatic rifle at 19, the best gun laws in the world.

And your Daddy can buy a rifle and hand it to you, all legal like.

[notimportant1234]

For those who say that the gun laws aren't the problem.
Listen to this logic. You can't buy alcohol until you are 21 in the USA but somehow you can buy a semi automatic rifle at 19, the best gun laws in the world.

And your Daddy can buy a rifle and hand it to you, all legal like.

It is true altough your gun laws still allow an 18 year old guy to buy a handgun in most states or a long gun in all states but he can't drink until 21.

[brewer]

Just heard that the FBI admitted that they were informed about this kid on January 5th, with specific details including his desire to commit a school shooting. They did nothing admitting their protocols were not followed. 

Can't legislate against ball dropping.

[henryp]

If we had all sorts of common sense gun laws including a ban on AR-15's, and this guy killed 7 kids with a handgun instead of 14, what would the discussion be?

How you define common sense. Obviously, with good laws this joker wouldn't have been able to get his hands on a pistol.

Ideally, he wouldn't legally be able to get his hand on a pistol.  But I'm not sure what sort of profiling would be necessary, and even possible constitutionally speaking.

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If we had all sorts of common sense gun laws including a ban on AR-15's, and this guy killed 7 kids with a handgun instead of 14, what would the discussion be?

Depends , I don't care for the numbers , from my point of view it should be hard to get a handgun , but seriously a kid  bought a semi automatic rifle and went ape shit in a school , wtf ?

Do you care that it was a semi-automatic rifle, and not a handgun?  That's where I think gun control advocates come off a bit wonky.  Because nobody believes that him killing 8 people with a handgun would be any more acceptable than killing 14 with an AR-15.   It's a bit of mitigation, but it doesn't really solve the problem in any way.

[Aegon]

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The answer actually is: he would have slammed into brick or a concrete and nobody would've been hurt. Its easier to get a car rather than a gun (at least a tad) but he chose to use a gun. Guns are deadlier, easier, to kill, work better for the goals.

"Nobody would've been hurt" is distinctly overoptimistic. People get hurt in vehicle/building collisions. You're also assuming that he would not have expressed his murderous rage elsewhere. Of course guns are more efficient killing machines. My point is that too many people see further gun restrictions as a cure-all (see the 1234 guy above).

I can't think of a single reason that we have this problem other than WE HAVE SO MANY GUNS EVERYWHERE. It's common sense at this point.

Of course, we're in agreement about that. No need to go all-caps on me, bud.

Further legislation on access to firearms isn't going to (and isn't supposed to) stop murder or violent crime. Just lower the ease with which this type of violent crime can be committed and lower the rate at which they occur. Definitely is not the ultimate solution for why kids want to kill all their classmates.

I didn't mean to direct that second post at you. Forums feature to prevent double posting hooked them together.