High school shooting in Parkland FL

[ErGingerbreadMandude]

Baby got clip hahahahahahahahaha

[Cyberman]

How about this - requiring a permit to carry a concealed weapon, five years additional prison time if the gun is used in a crime, a ban on gun sales to non-citizens, a one day waiting period between the purchase and receipt of a gun, and records of gun sales being made available to police?

Like the NRA proposed in the 1920s and which were later adopted by nine states?

In fact, here's what one gun control freak said about the whole issue:

I have never believed in the general practice of carrying weapons. I do not believe in the general promiscuous toting of guns. I think it should be sharply restricted and only under licenses.

I know, lefty liberal pussy, yeah?

That was Karl Fredericks, president of the NRA testifying to Congress in 1939.

But screw those guys. Let's carry on as things are, scratching our collective heads and wondering how things can ever change.

There are always more than enough thoughts and prayers for each bullet pulled out of the latest statistic.

[notimportant1234]

I made a case a couple of pages back about how the availability of guns seemingly leads to an increase in the number of actual deaths (caused by guns).
Indeed, I didn't present stats on the overall homicide rate, regardless of the means to achieve it... but I think that it would only add one more nail in the argument that gun availability does cause more deaths.

I think I did see that, but often it's the same comments, so I may not have said anything.  Just from what you had said here, the actual number of gun deaths.This figure likely includes suicides, which account for about 2/3 of gun deaths.  The picture looks a little different when you look at gun related homicides vs the households which possess a gun.  As I had said, we can also look at homicide rates or violent crime rates before and after gun bans in other countries.  Not just gun deaths, but the total number of homicides;  I think you have less impact in your argument, if you are just shifting the means.

The following Chart from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_de...s_by_state shows gun murders to gun ownership.  It doesn't show the correlation that is sometimes presented. 


 

This is why my questions are; what are you trying to accomplish, what are you proposing, and why do you think it will work.    I live in rural Pennsylvania, where I would guess the percentage of households owning a gun is high, and many of them likely own a number of weapons.  Yet I would be far more comfortable walking around at night here, than in Washington DC (the dot way up high), which to my understanding has fairly strict gun control laws.

I'm glad someone got a chuckle out of that

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If that is true how is it that in Romania only 300 murders happen per year ? And please don't say mentality or culture of violence because Romania's socio-economical enviroment is as fucked as a hooker at the corner.

I'm unsure.   (Also unsure to what specifically you are addressing in my posts).

But Iceland has a number of guns, and very few (none in this instance) murders by gun per 100,000 people.
There are a number of other countries, which have guns, and yet their guns seem to not jump out of their cases and kill people.  They must be nicer to their guns (or better at keeping them subservient.)

https://www.deseretnews.com/top/2519/7/S...rship.html

Firstly I know where the gun laws haven't change a thing , countrys like Jamaica , you seriously compare the USA with Jamaica.

Secondly, dude all the countries that are listed there have gun laws , you need to take classes ,, you need to take an medical evaluation the difference between the USA and them is that in the USA you can buy them like they were candys.

[pocaracas]

I made a case a couple of pages back about how the availability of guns seemingly leads to an increase in the number of actual deaths (caused by guns).
Indeed, I didn't present stats on the overall homicide rate, regardless of the means to achieve it... but I think that it would only add one more nail in the argument that gun availability does cause more deaths.

I think I did see that, but often it's the same comments, so I may not have said anything.  Just from what you had said here, the actual number of gun deaths.This figure likely includes suicides, which account for about 2/3 of gun deaths.  The picture looks a little different when you look at gun related homicides vs the households which possess a gun.  As I had said, we can also look at homicide rates or violent crime rates before and after gun bans in other countries.  Not just gun deaths, but the total number of homicides;  I think you have less impact in your argument, if you are just shifting the means.

Well, I suggest you go there and take a look at my post (here for your commodity: https://atheistforums.org/post-1704285.html#pid1704285). I did compare specifically gun-related homicides between the US and the EU. Perhaps we could add Australia (pre- and post- gun ban) for better understanding of the effect of a ban?

I didn't care about the suicide numbers.... but they seem to follow the same pattern as homicides.

The following Chart from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_de...s_by_state shows gun murders to gun ownership.  It doesn't show the correlation that is sometimes presented. 

This is why my questions are; what are you trying to accomplish, what are you proposing, and why do you think it will work.    I live in rural Pennsylvania, where I would guess the percentage of households owning a gun is high, and many of them likely own a number of weapons.  Yet I would be far more comfortable walking around at night here, than in Washington DC (the dot way up high), which to my understanding has fairly strict gun control laws.

Isn't DC pretty much just one city? How can you compare that to other states?

The EU gets an average of 0.2 gun-related homicides per 100,000 inhabitants.
The state closest to this in the US is Vermont, with 0.3.... again, a small state - I'm not very fond of comparing the small states with the larger ones, nor with the whole country or EU, because then we'd have to compare against individual countries and the numbers become 0.04 in Poland, 0.06 in the UK, 0.07 in Germany, 0.1 in Austria, etc...
Your Pennsylvania stands at 3.6, close to the country wide average. I think you'll agree that you'd feel much safer in the EU, even without having a gun.


What I'm trying to accomplish is to convince you that the ubiquitousness of guns is one major aspect of gun-related homicides.

What I'm proposing is the establishment of certain rules, laws, etc. that aim to lower the gun ownership in the US so as to decrease the number of gun-related homicides (and, at the same time, I'm sure it will decrease the gun-related suicides and accidents)
Which rules? Not my job. And, as a non-American, it's not my place. I've tried to present suggestions, but they all seem to be flawed at some point.
As a guy on an internet forum, the best I can do is make some people aware of the reality and hope that they pass on such awareness to their friends and neighbors and hopefully change the gun mentality and start decreasing the gun availability.

[notimportant1234]

Besides that in the top 15 that he listed ,most of the guns in the countryes that he listed ar owned by hunters.

[Amarok]

I think I did see that, but often it's the same comments, so I may not have said anything.  Just from what you had said here, the actual number of gun deaths.This figure likely includes suicides, which account for about 2/3 of gun deaths.  The picture looks a little different when you look at gun related homicides vs the households which possess a gun.  As I had said, we can also look at homicide rates or violent crime rates before and after gun bans in other countries.  Not just gun deaths, but the total number of homicides;  I think you have less impact in your argument, if you are just shifting the means.

The following Chart from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_de...s_by_state shows gun murders to gun ownership.  It doesn't show the correlation that is sometimes presented. 


 

This is why my questions are; what are you trying to accomplish, what are you proposing, and why do you think it will work.    I live in rural Pennsylvania, where I would guess the percentage of households owning a gun is high, and many of them likely own a number of weapons.  Yet I would be far more comfortable walking around at night here, than in Washington DC (the dot way up high), which to my understanding has fairly strict gun control laws.

I'm glad someone got a chuckle out of that

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I'm unsure.   (Also unsure to what specifically you are addressing in my posts).

But Iceland has a number of guns, and very few (none in this instance) murders by gun per 100,000 people.
There are a number of other countries, which have guns, and yet their guns seem to not jump out of their cases and kill people.  They must be nicer to their guns (or better at keeping them subservient.)

https://www.deseretnews.com/top/2519/7/S...rship.html

Firstly I know where the gun laws haven't change a thing , countrys like Jamaica , you seriously compare the USA with Jamaica.

Secondly, dude all the countries that are listed there have gun laws , you need to take classes ,, you need to take an medical evaluation the difference between the USA and them is that in the USA you can buy them like they were candys.

Road would compare Jamaica to the US . He's that clueless .

[brewer]

Giving teachers guns is not an answer.

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What the fuck? Grade school raffles off gun: http://www.newsweek.com/missouri-childre...ets-811237

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Giving teachers guns is not an answer.

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What the fuck? Grade school raffles off gun: http://www.newsweek.com/missouri-childre...ets-811237

The coach was going to call it off, but criticism of the original concept on Facebook caused him to reconsider. See, in Missouri, if someone something stupid to you the go-to is do something even more stupid to yourself.

[brewer]

Firearm Storage in Homes With Children With Self-Harm Risk Factors: http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/co....2017-2600

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Firearm Storage in Homes With Children With Self-Harm Risk Factors: http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/co....2017-2600

Dead bang.