Donald Trump wants to arm teachers with guns

[pocaracas]

Given all this, it seems the only viable long term course of action in preventing another similar event is to... make sure that the gun never reaches the person, perhaps?
And, since you can't predict who will end up doing this again, maybe it's not a bad idea to minimize the number of people with access to guns.

How many illegal guns that the police and local authorities don't know about would you estimate are in the hands of criminals in our cities?  How would the anti second amendment proponents go about getting those off the streets?

In proportion, about as many as you'd find in any other place on Earth. Perhaps even less, because if you can get guns legally, there's no drive to get them illegally.
Please don't muddle the discussion with things that are beyond our control and represent the same background level in gun related death across the whole world.

[notimportant1234]

Besides that , most criminals that he is refereing too , kill for pragmatic reasons (wich doesn t make them moral , that is not the point that I'm adressing) not for the joy of it.

[Whateverist]

If we could have a world without guns it would be great. But no, it wouldn't, we'd still have swords and knives and clubs, and if we got rid of those we'd still have pitchforks and arms and legs. So we have to do something that will deal with reality. Reality is there are guns and anyone that wants one bad enough can get one. So yes, education, but yes, also protection. It's not an either/or. They're addressing two different, but related issues. My .02c

America is not the world.

You are displaying typical theist binary thinking in saying that it's either weapons or not having weapons. Fact is you can kill and wound more people more quickly with an AR 15 than with a hand gun or a bread knife.

What?!  Are you seriously doubting American exceptionalism in the area of gun violence?  We lead the world both in guns and gun deaths.  We're number one, baby.  And eliminating or greatly restricting access to guns would never work here because the gun industry has a very effective lobby because we just have too many good guys with guns itching to use them.  Sure, it has worked everywhere else it has been tried but face it, the rest of you wankers are a bunch of pussies.

[A Theist]

How many illegal guns that the police and local authorities don't know about would you estimate are in the hands of criminals in our cities?  How would the anti second amendment proponents go about getting those off the streets?

In proportion, about as many as you'd find in any other place on Earth. Perhaps even less, because if you can get guns legally, there's no drive to get them illegally.
Please don't muddle the discussion with things that are beyond our control and represent the same background level in gun related death across the whole world.

There's no muddling about it. If you're going to address gun violence you can't ignore the shooting deaths by criminals and gang members with illegal guns in cities like Chicago, for example, that have strict gun laws.

[pocaracas]

In proportion, about as many as you'd find in any other place on Earth. Perhaps even less, because if you can get guns legally, there's no drive to get them illegally.
Please don't muddle the discussion with things that are beyond our control and represent the same background level in gun related death across the whole world.

There's no muddling about it. If you're going to address gun violence you can't ignore the shooting deaths by criminals and gang members with illegal guns in cities like Chicago, for example, that have strict gun laws.

Should I also ignore all cities in the EU and elsewhere with gun deaths by criminals that are also likely to be with an illegal gun?

[notimportant1234]

In proportion, about as many as you'd find in any other place on Earth. Perhaps even less, because if you can get guns legally, there's no drive to get them illegally.
Please don't muddle the discussion with things that are beyond our control and represent the same background level in gun related death across the whole world.

There's no muddling about it. If you're going to address gun violence you can't ignore the shooting deaths by criminals and gang members with illegal guns in cities like Chicago, for example, that have strict gun laws.

Do you intentionally change the subject or you are unaware of it ?
But, I'll refute this right away. Here you have the home of the mafia.

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/italy

[A Theist]

There's no muddling about it. If you're going to address gun violence you can't ignore the shooting deaths by criminals and gang members with illegal guns in cities like Chicago, for example, that have strict gun laws.

Should I also ignore all cities in the EU and elsewhere with gun deaths by criminals that are also likely to be with an illegal gun?

Fuck the EU and elsewhere. That's their concern. I'm saying that if we're going to take on the gun control issue here in the US you can't ignore the high gun violence by criminals and gang members with illegal guns in some of our cities with strict gun laws. Evidently the stricter gun laws aren't working in those cities. How would the pro gun control people deal with that issue?

[Homeless Nutter]

Fuck the EU and elsewhere. [...]

Yeah - you are special little snowflakes. Things that work all over the world couldn't possibly work in Dogf*ck, Alabama. Better ban video games, movies, porn and everything else, then give everyone a gun, so they can protect themselves from each other's guns...

LOL... Americans are morons.

[pocaracas]

Should I also ignore all cities in the EU and elsewhere with gun deaths by criminals that are also likely to be with an illegal gun?

Fuck the EU and elsewhere. That's their concern. I'm saying that if we're going to take on the gun control issue here in the US you can't ignore the high gun violence by criminals and gang members with illegal guns in some of our cities with strict gun laws. Evidently the stricter gun laws aren't working in those cities. How would the pro gun control people deal with that issue?

Well, if you don't want to take lessons from places where things work, then maybe you deserve being on the news every other week for a reason that is a rarity in the rest of the world.

I don't understand how you can claim one city to have strict gun laws.
What does that mean?
On that one patch of land inside the city limits, you can't buy guns?... so you buy them out of city limits and carry them inside? Is that what makes those guns illegal there? (I truly don't know, I'm asking!)
A car ride to the nearest town to buy guns doesn't seem out of place, there...
How would they enforce that law?... metal detectors on every road and pathway into the city? Cars are made of metal... commuting must be a pain!

[A Theist]

Fuck the EU and elsewhere. [...]

Yeah - you are special little snowflakes. Things that work all over the world couldn't possibly work in Dogf*ck, Alabama. Better ban video games, movies, porn and everything else, then give everyone a gun, so they can protect themselves from each other's guns...

LOL... Americans are morons.

Typical response from the naive left.
If you can't answer the issue always resort to the old deflection tactic of replying with playground name calling and insults.