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The most horrifying journey, this is what doubting 'everything' does.
#61
RE: The most horrifying journey, this is what doubting 'everything' does.
I'm afraid that you can't transform reason into goddisms, Mystic.  It's beyond your ability to do so.
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#62
RE: The most horrifying journey, this is what doubting 'everything' does.
(April 3, 2018 at 6:24 am)MysticKnight Wrote: I'm saying in a ideal world, arguments lead to truth. But in this chaotic world we live in, we have to search a means to know the truth, that is not through arguments. Because arguments has not persuaded humans whether they should or shouldn't.

There is a way to sheer honesty certainty in what you know. And philosophers telling you things are axioms that are self-evident is not one of them.

As you can see, this argument won't persuade anyone itself as well.

Sorry, but I have to disagree. Percentage-wise, jet liners are MUCH safer than hot air balloons. 

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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#63
RE: The most horrifying journey, this is what doubting 'everything' does.
(April 3, 2018 at 2:36 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(April 3, 2018 at 6:24 am)MysticKnight Wrote: I'm saying in a ideal world, arguments lead to truth. But in this chaotic world we live in, we have to search a means to know the truth, that is not through arguments. Because arguments has not persuaded humans whether they should or shouldn't.

There is a way to sheer honesty certainty in what you know. And philosophers telling you things are axioms that are self-evident is not one of them.

As you can see, this argument won't persuade anyone itself as well.

Sorry, but I have to disagree. Percentage-wise, jet liners are MUCH safer than hot air balloons. 

Boru
WAAYY!! safer

(April 3, 2018 at 2:16 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I'm afraid that you can't transform reason into goddisms, Mystic.  It's beyond your ability to do so.

Yeah but he's kind of a one trick pony
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

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#64
RE: The most horrifying journey, this is what doubting 'everything' does.
(April 3, 2018 at 2:14 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: There is no reason not to reason, but it's about distinguishing proper ways and non-proper ways. 

Aristotle worked most of the fundamentals out thousands of years ago, and way before the Quran was written.

Aristotle was wrong about a lot of things, but the fundamentals of logic he spelled out are absolutely foundational.
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#65
RE: The most horrifying journey, this is what doubting 'everything' does.
(April 3, 2018 at 3:03 pm)Hammy Wrote:
(April 3, 2018 at 2:14 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: There is no reason not to reason, but it's about distinguishing proper ways and non-proper ways. 

Aristotle worked most of the fundamentals out thousands of years ago, and way before the Quran was written.

Aristotle was wrong about a lot of things, but the fundamentals of logic he spelled out are absolutely foundational.

Yeah, get with the times, MK.
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#66
RE: The most horrifying journey, this is what doubting 'everything' does.
Quote:There is no reason not to reason, but it's about distinguishing proper ways and non-proper ways.
 Which neither you nor the primitive warlords you venerate are very good at
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

Inuit Proverb

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#67
RE: The most horrifying journey, this is what doubting 'everything' does.
I don't think anyone goes through life doubting everything.

But it is very healthy to QUESTION everything.

If something is true you can likely investigate it yourself, and, likely, do it yourself.*

If it's untrue you will likely have people who will claim it's true but will tell you that you'll just have to take their word for it.**

* Don't do this with medical procedures. Surgery on random people is actively discouraged by pesky laws.***
** Examples: "Alternative medicine", UFO claims, psychics, religion.
*** I got off on a technicality.
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