Make MAGA pay for the Wall Street

[Brian37]

Even if you are correct about Trump's phrasing, the context completely destroys your argument. In the quote he clearly claims that the post office isn't making money from this deal. If they aren't making money, then they are either just breaking even, or are losing money. There's no other option. The next sentence, he says that "they lose a fortune". When the entire tweet is considered as a whole, the meaning is pretty clear. Trump is claiming that the post office isn't making any money from the deal with Amazon, but is instead actually losing money.

My point is, even if he is claiming that the post office would benefit from a better deal, he's also claiming that the current deal isn't making them any money, and they are losing money. That is just not true.

The post office is losing money overall.  And an allegedly significant part of that is the shit deal with Amazon.

Again, going back to poker, if you're losing money overall.  And you're barely over breaking even with AA and KK, I would say the money you're losing playing Aces and Kings poorly is why you are losing money.  And someone who doesn't think that way would say "No, he's making money with Aces and Kings.  You're wrong." 

I'll concede this.  I think Trump's characterization, while accurate to someone like me, is probably being wrongly interpreted by many of Trump's supporters, and Trump doesn't mind.   

I also don't mind, because the substance is that the POA should be making more money off their deal with Amazon.  And the rest is just political games.

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lol so says the guy who thinks whatever Trump tells him.  Are your lips chapped from being stuck to his ass yet?

Trump cut taxes on all these wealthy corporations, and cut taxes for the rich.  So don't pretend like he gives one FUCKING iota about how many taxes corporations pay.  The ONLY thing he cares about is going after companies that oppose him.  That's what we in the real world like to call CORRUPTION.  He's only doing this because the Washington Post doesn't have their lips on his ass full time like you do.  And you conservatives fall for his dribble every fucking time.  Then you project onto the rest of us, and deflect whenever you can.  Because it's all you've got.

I wasn't crazy about the way the tax deal went down.  The top income brackets didn't need their rates lowered.  I also liked Trumps hedgefund talk in the primaries.  But that'd have needed help from the Democrats to make it into the legislation.  And rather than do their jobs and try to get concessions on behalf of their constituents, they decided to not participate at all for political purposes.  That gave all the political power to the far right, and we got a lot of stupid shit.  Which doesn't bother the democrats in power, because they and all their donors are all rich, and will happily benefit from the stupid shit along with the republicans and their donors.

But in general on corporations.  When you look at Tariffs and renegotiating trade deals.  And even immigration.  Trump is doing things that hurt corporations by removing sources of cheap labor.  And at the same time, he lowers corporate tax rates in america and says "Hey, since slave labor in china isn't as profitable anymore, maybe come hire some Americans back home in our new friendlier tax environment."

Sorry not buying it.

If your solution is to continue to, or double down on GOP economic policy, you are an IDIOT.

REAGAN stared the age of deregulation, union busting and "don't tax the rich".

And what has resulted since?  Bubble after bubble. 

I vividly remember Bush Jr's tax rebate check for married couples. My X-wife and I got $300 bucks. Yes I did cash it, but I still knew it was a fucking con.  

Let me tell you what WILL happen, even if we are lucky and 45 doesn't get an itchy trigger finger. EVEN IF, he doesn't blow up the world out of spite, the DEBT the rich create because of the lack of paying into taxes that WE have to make up for, builds up. The GOP supports bubble economics, not healthy economics.

[Minimalist]

Post Office has contradicted the claim they lose money delivering Amazon parcels.

It was my impression First Class Mail was the big money loser and the collectibles and parcels were profitable.

The post office is losing money because of an accounting game that Congress pulled on them in 2006.  It has nothing to do with declining first-class mail, Amazon, Bezos, the Washington Post or the fucking orange shitgibbon.

In 2006 Congress finally passed a new law that again rearranged the chairs but gave the Postal Service little net benefit. The Postal Service was allowed to tap into its escrow money and pension obligations for military service were shifted back to the US Treasury. But again a quid pro quo was required that negated any financial benefit to the Postal Service. To achieve unified budget neutrality the USPS was required to make 10 annual payments of between $5.4 billion and $5.8 billion to the newly created Postal Service Retiree Health Benefits Fund. The fund could not be tapped to pay actual retiree health benefits during those 10 years. The level of the annual payments was not based on any actuarial determination. The numbers were produced by CBO as the amounts necessary to offset the loss of the escrow payments.

http://www.onthecommons.org/magazine/how...Po3IN.dpbs

[The Grand Nudger]

Amazon is contributing massively to the only part of the usps that's actually working.  That's the irony of it.  If the shitgibbon had his way he'd kill the usps and amazon (and all of their investors and partners) in his little proxy war against bezos..whom he;s completely convinced is personally directing the washington post to discredit the president for all of the stupid lies he tells.

As someone on twitter already pointed out..wouldn't it be hilarious if Bezos bought twitter with his lint-money and shut down the trumpsters account.  I'd be tempted to give the man a medal for service to this country.

[henryp]

The post office is losing money overall.  And an allegedly significant part of that is the shit deal with Amazon.

I've already pointed out that there is a law which prevents the post office from losing money from these deals. The deal was also reviewed by an independent commission and approved. This has nothing to do with overall profitability.

Again, going back to poker, if you're losing money overall.  And you're barely over breaking even with AA and KK, I would say the money you're losing playing Aces and Kings poorly is why you are losing money.  And someone who doesn't think that way would say "No, he's making money with Aces and Kings.  You're wrong." 

You can't make a statement like that without knowing what the player's other hands were, and more importantly, what the other players had when you have AA and KK. If you have AA and everyone else has shit, even if you slow play them, you aren't going to convince someone to go for a large pot if all they have is high card or a pair. Similarly, if 99% of your other hands were rubbish, and you are terrible at bluffing, then you are losing money because you are terrible at bluffing, not just because you play AA and KK badly. Good poker players don't sit around and lose money hoping that they get AA or KK. Good poker players can turn a shit hand into gold.

Could the post office make more money off the Amazon deal? Certainly. However that's not the reason they are losing money overall, because they are actually profitable in that area. No business should point to its profitable area as a problem, when they are losing money in another area.

Trump is lying when he says that the post office is losing money from the Amazon deal. They aren't. They are actually making money. Whether they could make more money from it is entirely separate from the fact that they are actually making money from it. Trump is lying, plain and simple. You are twisting his words in a laughable attempt to make it seem like he has some kind of advanced understanding, when he just doesn't. He's lying. It's OK if you support the President, I don't particularly care, but you can't be taken seriously as a Trump supporter if you don't admit the guy lies, because at that point you're just deluding yourself.

Re Poker:  Most people who play/played poker even a little seriously online the past 10+ years had programs to store all the hand histories and parse the info into a database, then compile the data into useful stats.  So when I say 'losing money with AA and KK', I'm talking a large number of AA's and KK's over a significant sample of hands.  Knowledgeable players could look at someone's database, see the AA/KK win rates are too low.  Then look at the statistics that indicate how they played the hand and determine what they are doing wrong.   An easy example is not raising enough with AA.  Of course someone slow playing AA preflop is going to have a shit ton of other leaks, because that's a novice mistake.  But it was an example that required only a little poker strategy knowledge.  But I forgot that when I talk about 'playing AA', I'm thinking in terms of how it was played over 10,000's hands of poker.  Not an individual hand in a specific scenario.  The key takeaway though, is that a losing player could be winning money with AA despite playing it poorly, and the knowledgeable player would characterize it as "losing a ton of money with AA, and that's why you're a losing player."    

I think you probably can know what I'm talking about when I say ^^^.  But I bet we lost a bunch of people.  Which is also related to the point.  Do you explain a bunch of stuff that many people won't understand.  Or hit the highlights, even though that's not as accurate an explanation of what is happening?

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I am well aware Trump lies, obfuscates, misleads, etc...  It made him very difficult to vote for.  Because you have to guess his true intentions.  Hillary had a similar problem.  Even Bernie, you had to try and guess how feasible any of his solutions were, because he certainly wasn't going to tell you.  

So I look at this situation, and whether you want to call it truth, lie, misleading, whatever, the takeaway is Post office should make a better deal with Amazon.  

Contrast with his immigration thing, where he talked about Bad Hombres, but we see some people who've spent their life harmlessly living in the US getting deported.  It's the law, and if that's how they are going to do it, that's their prerogative, but it was a lie and an important lie from the campaign to imply they would be left alone.

But that's just how things are.  I remember the 2012 elections with "If you like your doctor, you can keep them."  Or remember when Mitt said Russia was the #1 geopolitical threat, and Barack said something about the '80s called and they wan their cold war back.'  And all the Obama supporters simultaneously jizzed all over eachother.  Just open flat out lies for the purpose of winning elections.  That's when the new standard was agreed upon in my opinion.  The idea that you can say whatever you want.  Which again, means we're left guessing at true intentions.  And for his part, Trump seemed to have meant more stuff that he said than I thought when it came to campaign promises.  Some for the better, some for the worse.

[Tiberius]

But that's just how things are.  I remember the 2012 elections with "If you like your doctor, you can keep them."  Or remember when Mitt said Russia was the #1 geopolitical threat, and Barack said something about the '80s called and they wan their cold war back.'  And all the Obama supporters simultaneously jizzed all over eachother.  Just open flat out lies for the purpose of winning elections.  That's when the new standard was agreed upon in my opinion.  The idea that you can say whatever you want.  Which again, means we're left guessing at true intentions.  And for his part, Trump seemed to have meant more stuff that he said than I thought when it came to campaign promises.  Some for the better, some for the worse.

Trump got elected 1.5 years ago. Why is he still lying? Why should we have to guess his true intentions?

[The Grand Nudger]

So I look at this situation, and whether you want to call it truth, lie, misleading, whatever, the takeaway is Post office should make a better deal with Amazon.  

Hardly, lol.  The takeaway is that dear leader is a whiney titty baby who can't stand a free press and thinks that the proper use of the terrible power of his office is to settle personal vendettas with other peoples money by lying to rubes like you.

[henryp]

So I look at this situation, and whether you want to call it truth, lie, misleading, whatever, the takeaway is Post office should make a better deal with Amazon.  

Hardly, lol.  The takeaway is that dear leader is a whiney titty baby who can't stand a free press and thinks that the proper use of the terrible power of his office is to settle personal vendettas with other peoples money by lying to rubes like you.

Settling personal vendettas might have positive unintended consequences.  That's a better outlook than you get with most politicians.

[The Grand Nudger]

Like the positive unintended consequence of showing himself unfit for the office..again.....or....?

[henryp]

Trump got elected 1.5 years ago. Why is he still lying? Why should we have to guess his true intentions?

The game never ends.  There's always more fundraising and another election around the corner.  

And we're forced to guess at politicians true intentions, because if one candidate/party told us the truth, and the other told us what we want to hear, the Other would win every election.  This is all our (collectively speaking) own doing.

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Like the positive unintended consequence of showing himself unfit for the office..again.....or....?

Don't worry, I'm sure that impeachment is coming any day now.

[The Grand Nudger]

This isn't one of those times.