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~~purplepurpose~~ · April 6, 2018 at 11:56 am

Christian Sharia Law?

**Whateverist** · April 6, 2018 at 11:57 am

If only this had been available back when Trump and that Alabama judge (Roy something?) were in school. So many daughters and wives/mothers to be could have been spared.

The Industrial Atheist · April 6, 2018 at 12:04 pm

(April 6, 2018 at 11:57 am)Whateverist Wrote: If only this had been available back when Trump and that Alabama judge (Roy something?) were in school. So many daughters and wives/mothers to be could have been spared.

Roy Moore, yeah. If it hadn't been for black voters, particularly black women voters, he might have still won. The problem with abstinence only sex education is it doesn't work. It's not based on an understanding of how peoples minds and bodies work, it's just based off of a book that claims to have been inspired by someone who knows those things.

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Catholic_Lady · April 6, 2018 at 12:22 pm

I like the idea of teaching and encouraging abstinence to teenage kids as the only 100% safe option against both pregnancy and STD's. But I still think contraceptives should be tought so that the kids know what they are and how they work, etc. I'm pretty sure even when I was in Catholic grade school, we were taught in health class about all the different contraceptives and how they work. It doesn't mean the kids are being encouraged to have sex, it's just a regular part of learning about sexuality and health.

FatAndFaithless · April 6, 2018 at 12:26 pm

(April 6, 2018 at 12:22 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I like the idea of teaching and encouraging abstinence to teenage kids as the only 100% safe option against both pregnancy and STD's. But I still think contraceptives should be tought so that the kids know what they are and how they work, etc. I'm pretty sure even when I was in Catholic grade school, we were taught in health class about all the different contraceptives and how they work. It doesn't mean the kids are being encouraged to have sex, it's just a regular part of learning about sexuality and health.

Well yeah, I don't think there's a health class in the United States that doesn't mention abstinence being 100% effective - it's just that abstinence-only programs almost invariably misrepresent or straight up lie about the effectiveness of other methods (if they mention them at all). Pushers of abstinence-only programs seem to think that young adults simply won't have sex if you tell them not to, which is laughably untrue. It's no coincidence that areas with abstinence-only programs are also the areas with the highest rates of STDs, unwanted pregnancies, and abortion.

Catholic_Lady · April 6, 2018 at 12:31 pm

(April 6, 2018 at 12:26 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:
(April 6, 2018 at 12:22 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I like the idea of teaching and encouraging abstinence to teenage kids as the only 100% safe option against both pregnancy and STD's. But I still think contraceptives should be tought so that the kids know what they are and how they work, etc. I'm pretty sure even when I was in Catholic grade school, we were taught in health class about all the different contraceptives and how they work. It doesn't mean the kids are being encouraged to have sex, it's just a regular part of learning about sexuality and health.

Well yeah, I don't think there's a health class in the United States that doesn't mention abstinence being 100% effective - it's just that abstinence-only programs almost invariably misrepresent or straight up lie about the effectiveness of other methods (if they mention them at all). Pushers of abstinence-only programs seem to think that young adults simply won't have sex if you tell them not to, which is laughably untrue. It's no coincidence that areas with abstinence-only programs are also the areas with the highest rates of STDs, unwanted pregnancies, and abortion.

I'd rather teenage kids not have sex with each other at all. But if they do, I'd rather them use a condom than get pregnant and possibly have an abortion.

FatAndFaithless · April 6, 2018 at 12:33 pm

(April 6, 2018 at 12:31 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(April 6, 2018 at 12:26 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Well yeah, I don't think there's a health class in the United States that doesn't mention abstinence being 100% effective - it's just that abstinence-only programs almost invariably misrepresent or straight up lie about the effectiveness of other methods (if they mention them at all). Pushers of abstinence-only programs seem to think that young adults simply won't have sex if you tell them not to, which is laughably untrue. It's no coincidence that areas with abstinence-only programs are also the areas with the highest rates of STDs, unwanted pregnancies, and abortion.

I'd rather teenage kids not have sex with each other at all. But if they do, I'd rather them use a condom than get pregnant and possibly have an abortion.

Sure, and I'd rather teenage kids drive perfectly safely at all times, but I'm still going to give them seat belts and airbags.

Amarok · April 6, 2018 at 12:35 pm

Absence education is stupid and it never works .

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