Skeptics might be jumping to conclusions

[The Grand Nudger]

There you go again, wandering around the the fugue state you never seem to be with regards to your own pet propositions.

The failure of paranormal research has hardly been a shortcut. It's been a massive waste of otherwise useful time and resources...and we'd been engaging in paranormal field trials for millenia beforehand with every voodoo doll we cobbled together.

[robvalue]

Intelligent people are perfectly capable of clinging to stupid ideas.  Case example..paranormal researchers.

Well, I have no way of knowing if it is instead the skeptics who are intelligent people clinging to the stupid idea that we are just biological machines with only one life to live or if it is instead the paranormal researchers who are clinging to a stupid idea.  Again, I think it requires full research in order to determine who is the intelligent person clinging to a stupid, false idea.  Or maybe there are shortcuts that we can use to determine this.  I really don't know.  I am, for now, just arguing against the idea that we can use shortcuts.

Biological machines = Backed by evidence

Magical souls and further lives = No evidence

It's pretty simple. There's no need to say we're only biological machines. Sceptics don't usually claim to know everything and to have discounted every other possibility. They just weigh their positive belief in accordance with the evidence. Maybe other stuff is going on, maybe not. The time to believe it is when there is evidence, not when the alternative makes people uncomfortable. That guy I watched on YouTube was ranting about nihilism and such, and he seems to have the theistic mindset that only eternal/external values are of any value.

[JackRussell]

I would rather scientists continue to try to solve real problems than the lame, unevidenced and boring shite that super nature exists.

Times move on, idiocy clearly doesn't.

[polymath257]

The troll is simply repeating the same script quoting but entirely ignoring points made against that same script.  I'm done.

I think I have addressed those quoted posts through what I said.  I just personally think that human beings tend to limit themselves to only one particular view through shortcut methods rather than embarking on the full journey of knowledge and truth.  Almost every religious believer, philosopher, paranormal believer, and skeptic use these shortcut methods.  I think this was the wrong way of doing it and I explain new things in regards to why that is in that post.

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Most of this is simply complaining that the same standards used in every other area of science are used with paranormal research. Yes, the evidence has to be strong enough to convince skeptics. Yes, extraordinary claims (those that contradict well-established scientific principles--not simply 'strongly held beliefs') require extraordinary evidence.

Again, the fact is that *every* time paranormal phenomena are tested in a properly controlled environment, they fail to show up. There is a million dollar reward for anyone who can set up an experiment that tests these ideas in a controlled setting and actually manages to show them. Many have attempted to do so. None have succeeded. Many frauds have been exposed. That is sufficient evidence for me at this point.

I see you have come up with yet another objection/shortcut in that last paragraph of yours.  So, what I would ask from there is, are you just being close minded here and drawing a hasty conclusion?  Or are there objections to this as well out there that you are just not keeping an open mind to?

No. I have looked at the suggested evidence, I have looked into the attempts to prove a paranormal, I have studied the physics and the tests done to show it correct. None of the evidence for a paranormal is anywhere close to the strength needed to prove it, or even suggest it needs more study.

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Intelligent people are perfectly capable of clinging to stupid ideas.  Case example..paranormal researchers.

Well, I have no way of knowing if it is instead the skeptics who are intelligent people clinging to the stupid idea that we are just biological machines with only one life to live or if it is instead the paranormal researchers who are clinging to a stupid idea.  Again, I think it requires full research in order to determine who is the intelligent person clinging to a stupid, false idea.  Or maybe there are shortcuts that we can use to determine this.  I really don't know.  I am, for now, just arguing against the idea that we can use shortcuts.

And maybe planets only orbit because of angles pushing them. It is *possible* that at some future point we will realize such to be the case.

But I'm not betting on it. Nor do I think it reasonable to study the possibility.

[Transcended Dimensions]

Please stop saying shortcut.

No proper evidence presented = No belief

It's not a shortcut. It's a methodology. Without it, you believe any utter shit any random person comes up with. Even intelligent people get fooled and believe stuff without proper evidence, if it's one of their "pet woos". That's no reason for every other intelligent person to follow suit.

I certainly don't have time to chase people around demanding to see their evidence. They can present it, or not.

You are referring to the scientific method here.  Skeptics would claim that the scientific method determines that there is no evidence for paranormal claims and that this is all that is needed.  But perhaps there is something more that these skeptics do not realize.  There are those objections these paranormal researchers address and I think it's best to keep an open mind to these things the researchers say given that they are intelligent people who have had a lot of education and training. Skeptics would tell me that I am just using special pleading here.

But to treat the paranormal research as though it is something to dismiss would be special pleading towards the skeptics. If we were to special plead towards neither the skeptics nor the paranormal researchers, then it would just be a matter of dismissing the skeptics and the paranormal research. Therefore, I think we should special plead towards both the skeptics and the paranormal researchers. In other words, we should do full research into both fields of study as I said many times before rather than favoring one particular field of study. But some people have claimed to have conducted this full research into both fields such as the member I quote below.

I think I have addressed those quoted posts through what I said.  I just personally think that human beings tend to limit themselves to only one particular view through shortcut methods rather than embarking on the full journey of knowledge and truth.  Almost every religious believer, philosopher, paranormal believer, and skeptic use these shortcut methods.  I think this was the wrong way of doing it and I explain new things in regards to why that is in that post.

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I see you have come up with yet another objection/shortcut in that last paragraph of yours.  So, what I would ask from there is, are you just being close minded here and drawing a hasty conclusion?  Or are there objections to this as well out there that you are just not keeping an open mind to?

No. I have looked at the suggested evidence, I have looked into the attempts to prove a paranormal, I have studied the physics and the tests done to show it correct. None of the evidence for a paranormal is anywhere close to the strength needed to prove it, or even suggest it needs more study.

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In which case, there is no way for me to decide since I have no interest in doing this research.  That is just your conclusion you have drawn and I have no way of knowing if it is the right conclusion or not.

[The Grand Nudger]

You have a way, you're just lazy, lol.

[polymath257]

No. I have looked at the suggested evidence, I have looked into the attempts to prove a paranormal, I have studied the physics and the tests done to show it correct. None of the evidence for a paranormal is anywhere close to the strength needed to prove it, or even suggest it needs more study.

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In which case, there is no way for me to decide since I have no interest in doing this research.  That is just your conclusion you have drawn and I have no way of knowing if it is the right conclusion or not.

Then why even ask the question? Do your own research, learn the scientific method, and answer it for yourself.

[The Grand Nudger]

He's too open minded for that. 

[Transcended Dimensions]

You have a way, you're just lazy, lol.

As for my laziness, I tend to have a one track mind where my mind is only dedicated to one thing and nothing else matters to me.  The subject I wish to learn is how to compose.  Therefore, I will become very smart in this subject, but continue to remain dumb in all other subjects and in all areas of life since I have no interest in learning these things. I have no interest in anything else other than my own goals, desires, yearnings, and passions. I live a hedonistic lifestyle because, for me, my positive emotions are the only things that make my life and composing something good, beautiful, and worth living for. Me being happy and enjoying my life and hobbies is what gives my life value and I hope that there is an eternal blissful afterlife for me to be happy all I want to. Sadly, positive emotions are very fleeting things here in this Earthly life which is all the more reason why I really hope the blissful afterlife of my dreams exists for me after I die.

[The Grand Nudger]

There you go....and it only took a few pages to accurately communicate whatever the hell it is you wanted to communicate..which had nothing to do with skepticism or open mindedness or anyone's inability to know this, that or the other thing...or the relative distance of the journey from here to there.'

Hell, it didn't even have anything to do with the paranormal..just your entirely normal and thoroughly boring wishlist.