One reason among many, the world needs Ahlulbayt (as).

[The Grand Nudger]

You don't.  You're a slavery apologist who thinks that if we just bowed to your heavenly prince and gobbled up the thought droppings of a warlords slaving family then we'd have social justice..or a better shot at it.

You ignore history, islamism produced an elaborate and brutally efficient slave state.  You ignore the fundamental contradiction between divine kingship and social justice, and you seek cover for this in mentioning that you volunteered with acorn.

[Mystic]

Struck another nerve?

[The Grand Nudger]

See, I do know you.  All out of things to say, again. So, anywhere else you'd like to try and cram your silly god? I especially like watching you attempt to stuff it into places it just won't fit.

[Mystic]

See, I do know you.  All out of things to say, again.

Yeah, sure you do. How about knowing yourself before trying to know others.

[The Grand Nudger]

Now you're just being derivative -and- repetitive.

[Mystic]

Khemikal, you would do well to slit the unruly tongue of yours and humble your heart. You can't understand anything worthwhile in your state unfortunately.

[The Grand Nudger]

Here;s the trouble, MK.   People already -do- think that gods tell them to do unto others, and treat the leaast of us with this or that.  You won;t actually be able to find a religious tradition without a commensurate proinciple or command.

You tell me, us...yourself... that if only people believed that god said so and so™ - well..they do..and it doesn't do what you think it would.  Ironically, if you drew a venn diagram of social oppression in the us, the set of the faithful would strongly overlap that, as they seek to enforce social injustice by way of the apparatus of state......... -as a matter of the articles of their faith-.

You'd do well not to tell people to slit their tongues and humble themselves. It's not a safe hobby, and honestly, it makes you look like a giant crazy asshole.

[Mystic]

That's true. I was wrong in that regard. Rather, it's a necessary ingredient to get things going well.

Agreeing on this principle is necessary, but more important is putting into action. And there is no forcing people to action.

All we can do is do our best to change the tide of battle in justice and goodness favor.

[Brian37]

I've done research and maybe wrong, but no wisdom leaders or religion appointed guides, emphasized, so much regarding justice and oppression, the responsibility of everyone to participate in doing their part for justice and eradicating oppression.

From Imam Jewad (as) for example, he says "Three are partners, the oppressor, the helper of the oppressor, and the one who watches."

Similarly,the Prophet Jesus (as) is equated in saying the same thing in a long sermon, in Shiite hadiths, but I can't find in the Gospels today.

Imam Ali (as) is quoted to say something on similar grounds and proves from an anecdote in Quran.

Imam Hussain (as) is reported to say it's not permissible to see God being disobeyed and just watching.

Imam Baqir (as) says the people's enemies only ruled them when they accepted their rule.

Their always be dickheads who will oppress. The problem is the supposed good "citizens" do nothing about it. They let oppressors rule.

This apathy, is due to people thinking they are not equal partners in that crime.

Ahlulbayt (as) teach Quran teaches otherwise.   It's a daunting responsibility, but it's one that is not only necessary for justice, it's necessary for individual's dignity and honor to not be apathetic towards justice.

This central issue is probably the biggest difference between Sunni hadiths and Shiite hadiths.

Our biggest duty as a species is to NOT KILL EACH OTHER.

Our second but equally important duty is to realize all 7 billion of us have one planet to live on.

The rest is tribal crap.

[The Grand Nudger]

That's true.  I was wrong in that regard. Rather, it's a necessary ingredient to get things going well.

Agreeing on this principle is necessary, but more important is putting into action. And there is no forcing people to action.

All we can do is do our best to change the tide of battle in justice and goodness favor.

Indeed...no nutter islamisms required....and nutter islamisms aren't exactly knocking it out of the social justice park. That might be why islamists don;t make anybody's top ten (thousand) in a list of social justice allies.

Don't you think?