Civility subsection suggestion

[John V]

Shell has her own reasons but for me it would just be so un-natural as to be an abomination.

Participation there wouldn't be mandatory.

[Shell B]

And exclusion based on language preferences is bullshit. Adults shouldn't be expected not to swear in a casual setting. Being tiffy over swears is archaic and unnecessarily restrictive. Your participation in this forum isn't necessary, yet you bitch about it all the time, and no one restricts you. Go figure.

[SaStrike]

It's just frustrating being accused of needing a safe space when I am a theist on an atheist forum, which is the opposite of a safe space for me lol. If a safe space is what I was after, I would go to a theist forum. Simple. What I am after is productive honest discussion with people who have different opinions from myself. It is the reason why I'm on AF, and it is my intention for the subforum. I'm not understanding why people are insisting that I'm after a safe space lol.

That made no sense. If you go to a christian forum you wouldn't need a safe space. And yes an atheist forum is the exact opposite of safe space that's why you requested a christian only safe space within an atheist forum.

Another thing is, the subforum will most likely have discussions that include people that have the SAME opinion as you (example is the first thread in the debate section). So saying your interest is to discuss things with people with different opinions while simultaneously excluding all people with different opinions doesn' tmake sense. (yes i know it was some other guy who suggested the debate topic but your posts in that thread supported it etc)

[Ravenshire]

I'm also confused Joods, because it was your idea to use the debate section instead lol. I'm the one who was saying I don't want to use the debate section because I don't want it to exclude anyone.

Is it against the rules to include anyone who wants to join the debate as long as they abide by the rules of the debate? I sure didn't see anything limiting the number of participants other than the debate creator's preference.

[Catholic_Lady]

With that being said, I would be ok with allowing the use of swear words to accentuate the point of the discussion you are getting across, so long as they weren't being used in a way to sling BS at someone. Since the premise is to encourage productive discussion, the rules would be geared towards that first and foremost.

Example of what would be disallowed: "Fuck you, cunt!" (hurts discussion)

Example of what would be allowed: "The world can be a shitty place sometimes." (has no effect on discussion)

I would also be ok with disallowing swear words if it became easier and more practical to moderate that way. It may just be more simple to have a no swearing rule.

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It's just frustrating being accused of needing a safe space when I am a theist on an atheist forum, which is the opposite of a safe space for me lol. If a safe space is what I was after, I would go to a theist forum. Simple. What I am after is productive honest discussion with people who have different opinions from myself. It is the reason why I'm on AF, and it is my intention for the subforum. I'm not understanding why people are insisting that I'm after a safe space lol.

That made no sense. If you go to a christian forum you wouldn't need a safe space.

I meant the Christian forum itself would be a "safe space" for me.

And yes an atheist forum is the exact opposite of safe space that's why you requested a christian only safe space within an atheist forum.

Lol, what are you even talking about? I was unaware that I requested a Christian only safe space here. Interesting.

Another thing is, the subforum will most likely have discussions that include people that have the SAME opinion as you (example is the first thread in the debate section). So saying your interest is to discuss things with people with different opinions while simultaneously excluding all people with different opinions doesn' tmake sense. (yes i know it was some other guy who suggested the debate topic but your posts in that thread supported it etc)

You think only people who agree with me on everything would participate in threads on the civility subforum? I'd have to disagree there. In fact, several atheists have already shown interest.

[Joods]

I'm not understanding why people are insisting that I'm after a safe space lol.

It's pretty simple - they're petty assholes.  

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If it has a no-swearing rule, I will definitely call it a safe space where prudes can hide from bad language. Other than that, I don't see it as a safe space.

You can swear on every forum here. Why would one without swearing bother you?

bold mine.

Pot meet kettle.

[Shell B]

With that being said, I would be ok with allowing the use of swear words to accentuate the point of the discussion you are getting across, so long as they weren't being used in a way to sling BS at someone. Since the premise is to encourage productive discussion, the rules would be geared towards that first and foremost.  

Example of what would be disallowed: "Fuck you, cunt!" (hurts discussion)

Example of what would be allowed: "The world can be a shitty place sometimes." (has no effect on discussion)

I would also be ok with disallowing swear words if it became easier and more practical to moderate that way. It may just be more simple to have a no swearing rule.

That's easily covered with a no personal insults rule.

I'm vehemently opposed to no-swearing rules in a social space for adults. It seems childish. That's my only opposition currently.

[Catholic_Lady]

With that being said, I would be ok with allowing the use of swear words to accentuate the point of the discussion you are getting across, so long as they weren't being used in a way to sling BS at someone. Since the premise is to encourage productive discussion, the rules would be geared towards that first and foremost.  

Example of what would be disallowed: "Fuck you, cunt!" (hurts discussion)

Example of what would be allowed: "The world can be a shitty place sometimes." (has no effect on discussion)

I would also be ok with disallowing swear words if it became easier and more practical to moderate that way. It may just be more simple to have a no swearing rule.

That's easily covered with a no personal insults rule.

I vehemently opposed to no-swearing rules in a social space for adults. It seems childish. That's my only opposition currently.

That is fair enough. I wouldn't mind one way or the other, so long as swearing wasn't being used AT someone.

[Joods]

I'm also confused Joods, because it was your idea to use the debate section instead lol. I'm the one who was saying I don't want to use the debate section because I don't want it to exclude anyone.

Because it is redundant to ask for yet another subforum in a place that is already here for the purposes of discussion. What do you think a forum is? We have subforums to cover nearly all subjects. If you don't like the language that people are free to use here, then scroll on by and read another post. What you are essentially getting around asking, but really want, is a way to police what people can or can't say. Clearly, we have rules that cover that sort of thing. 

If theists don't want shit slinging in good threads, then perhaps they shouldn't instigate or bait atheists to begin with. You can't control whether or not people choose to be assholes. In the end, we have some sort of fluff that happens in nearly every single thread here, regardless of topic. Learn to scroll past what you don't want to see and respond to what you do want to see.

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Shell has her own reasons but for me it would just be so un-natural as to be an abomination.

Participation there wouldn't be mandatory.

It's also not mandatory on the entire site. Adding one more sub-forum just to appease the sensitivity of others seems rather redundant. No one is forced to participate. All are free to leave as they came, of their own volition.

[Catholic_Lady]

I'm also confused Joods, because it was your idea to use the debate section instead lol. I'm the one who was saying I don't want to use the debate section because I don't want it to exclude anyone.

Because it is redundant to ask for yet another subforum in a place that is already here for the purposes of discussion. What do you think a forum is? We have subforums to cover nearly all subjects. If you don't like the language that people are free to use here, then scroll on by and read another post. What you are essentially getting around asking, but really want, is a way to police what people can or can't say. Clearly, we have rules that cover that sort of thing. 

If theists don't want shit slinging in good threads, then perhaps they shouldn't instigate or bait atheists to begin with. You can't control whether or not people choose to be assholes. In the end, we have some sort of fluff that happens in nearly every single thread here, regardless of topic. Learn to scroll past what you don't want to see and respond to what you do want to see.

I understand that. I just got confused because it seemed you were initially encouraging the use of the debate subforum for civil discussion rather than creating a new open forum for it, but then didn't like it when Neo did just that because it excluded people.