Civility subsection suggestion

[Ravenshire]

I may be wrong here, but it seems like part of what CL wants in a new subforum is to disallow insults entirely. If that’s the case our current rules do not cover that. Yes, we have a flaming rule, but simply calling someone an asshole doesn’t count as flaming.

Simply calling someone an asshole don't necessarily stop serious discussion either. The problems CL wants to avoid typically stem from one person call in anther names repeatedly, which would fall under the flaming rule. As I've stated before, I wouldn't mind at all seeing that rule tightened a bit and more rigorously enforced despite having run afoul of it myself.

And before the objection that it doesn't get reported gets raised again, I have to ask, is a report required for rules enforcement?

[Catholic_Lady]

I understand that you dont think it is a good/reasonable idea. But if some other people like the concept and want to use such a section, why not just let them do as they want?

I don't like the concept of A69, so I simply don't join. But I'm not going to protest its existance if other people like to use it lol.

Sorry, I haven't been keeping up with the thread, so sorry if this has been discussed, but I like the idea of "joining" like with R'Lyeh. That would make participation optional, and even prevent the threads from showing on the "New Posts" thingie for people who don't join (I think).

The only drawback would be that new theists who join the site would have to go through the process of finding it and joining.

That would be easily solvable with an automatic PM telling them about it.

I intended on this initially being an open subforum, but several people now have suggested making it a join by request - like Mafia and A69. I would be cool with that.

[Losty]

And before the objection that it doesn't get reported gets raised again, I have to ask, is a report required for rules enforcement?

Yes, it is. We can’t action on anything without a report to start with which is why we also report posts when we find rule violations. But it’s not really fair to expect us to comb every thread searching for rule violations. Not that you are expecting that but it does sometimes feel like some people expect us to do that.

[Joods]

I understand that you dont think it is a good/reasonable idea. But if some other people like the concept and want to use such a section, why not just let them do as they want?

I don't like the concept of A69, so I simply don't join. But I'm not going to protest its existance if other people like to use it lol.

They do as they want now and clearly you have enough of a problem with it to ask for a new subforum. Furthermore, comparing this to A69 is illogical. A69 is a place where nudity and vulgarity is allowed. That has nothing to do with what you are asking. 

We're just going to have to agree to disagree here. Clearly, you are being intentionally obtuse at misunderstanding my point and when I counter your reasons for wanting a subforum, you conveniently change your reasons. I'm done here. I have real life things to take care of. You'll probably get what you want because you are a beloved member here. I highly doubt that this new subforum will work, given the fact that some of the rules we already have in place, go on completely ignored despite the fact that we have people who knowingly violate them. Oh well. To each his own I guess.

[Losty]

Sorry, I haven't been keeping up with the thread, so sorry if this has been discussed, but I like the idea of "joining" like with R'Lyeh. That would make participation optional, and even prevent the threads from showing on the "New Posts" thingie for people who don't join (I think).

The only drawback would be that new theists who join the site would have to go through the process of finding it and joining.

That would be easily solvable with an automatic PM telling them about it.

I intended on this initially being an open subforum, but several people now have suggested making it a join by request - like Mafia and A69. I would be cool with that.

Or even more easily solvable by making it visible to everyone but you can’t post in it unless you request to join.

[Shell B]

Area 69 was the worst idea I ever had here. (I'm pretty sure I was the fucktard who came up with it.)

Lol nice

At the time, it made sense. We have a few flirty members who can use a place to vent that shit, but I think it might contribute to some of the more annoying aspects of running the site. It hasn't directly, but I've still said aloud that I'm no longer a fan of encouraging intimacy.

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I may be wrong here, but it seems like part of what CL wants in a new subforum is to disallow insults entirely. If that’s the case our current rules do not cover that. Yes, we have a flaming rule, but simply calling someone an asshole doesn’t count as flaming.

Simply calling someone an asshole don't necessarily stop serious discussion either. The problems CL wants to avoid typically stem from one person call in anther names repeatedly, which would fall under the flaming rule. As I've stated before, I wouldn't mind at all seeing that rule tightened a bit and more rigorously enforced despite having run afoul of it myself.

And before the objection that it doesn't get reported gets raised again, I have to ask, is a report required for rules enforcement?

A lot of the times, yes. Staff doesn't read every post, even when they are active in a thread.

[Catholic_Lady]

I understand that you dont think it is a good/reasonable idea. But if some other people like the concept and want to use such a section, why not just let them do as they want?

I don't like the concept of A69, so I simply don't join. But I'm not going to protest its existance if other people like to use it lol.

They do as they want now and clearly you have enough of a problem with it to ask for a new subforum. Furthermore, comparing this to A69 is illogical. A69 is a place where nudity and vulgarity is allowed. That has nothing to do with what you are asking. 

We're just going to have to agree to disagree here. Clearly, you are being intentionally obtuse at misunderstanding my point and when I counter your reasons for wanting a subforum, you conveniently change your reasons. I'm done here. I have real life things to take care of. You'll probably get what you want because you are a beloved member here. I highly doubt that this new subforum will work, given the fact that some of the rules we already have in place, go on completely ignored despite the fact that we have people who knowingly violate them. Oh well. To each his own I guess.

My reasons never changed, so I suspect you must have initially misunderstood. Sorry for the confusion.

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That would be easily solvable with an automatic PM telling them about it.

I intended on this initially being an open subforum, but several people now have suggested making it a join by request - like Mafia and A69. I would be cool with that.

Or even more easily solvable by making it visible to everyone but you can’t post in it unless you request to join.

Yeah, that's true. And have the thread title show up in a different color, as others have suggested.

[Shell B]

You'll probably get what you want because you are a beloved member here.

Ease up, Joods. You're insinuating that the staff do things for their "favorites" when I know for a fact that if this were to fly, it would be because Tibs and others do value some form of structured debate, and the debate section has stricter guidelines than what she's asking for. Debate with her points all you want, but it's not fair to act like she's a staff favorite or something. You're a personal friend of several members of staff, and I assure you that none of them would just create a subforum for you if they didn't think the idea had merit.

[Catholic_Lady]

Lol nice

At the time, it made sense. We have a few flirty members who can use a place to vent that shit, but I think it might contribute to some of the more annoying aspects of running the site. It hasn't directly, but I've still said aloud that I'm no longer a fan of encouraging intimacy.

I'd be curious to know why, if you dont mind sharing.

[Shell B]

Oh, just dumb shit like relationship drama leaking over into staff duties, the occasional perv. Nothing interesting. Again, Area 69 has never directly contributed to any of it that I know of. I just think that stuff should happen off-forum. I don't care that much, though, so don't expect a petition to shut it down or anything.