DNA Proves Existence of a Designer

[The Grand Nudger]

Everena: I understand evolution and natural selection far better than you do. It is a process fool, not a first cause of anything. The ability of have a sex drive and genitals had to be there inititially or it never would have happened!! What part of that is HARD for someone like you to understand? Perhaps read it twice and then retake high school level biology.

Neither sex drives nor genitalia were present at the outset of life (or for quite some time thereafter).  They simply weren't required. In this, both things are very much like your meat fairy..though, unlike your meat fairy..both did evolve and do now exist.

[Everena]

I was raised by atheists and that is one of the reasons I feel comfortable having discussions with atheists. Your logic is faulty though and it is my opinion that you have been brainwashed by some fairly mean spirited folks who want you to fear death.

Everena, I do not appreciate it when a total stranger calls us brainwashed, blind, or any other combination of words that implies that you have some blatantly obvious knowledge that we simply refuse to accept.  Do you honestly believe that we were never exposed to the stuff you're pushing?  That we never thought about it?  You're wrong.  We've thought about it a lot, some of us for decades.

Furthermore, I think it's counterproductive for you, or anyone else, to use the word "know" when presenting a worldview.  Call it belief and I have no problem with that.  I can easily accept that people believe things that I don't.   The moment you say "I know..." you have presented an unsupported assertion.  You have crossed from faith to alleged knowledge, and I for one want to see evidence.  Empirical evidence, something that I could have analyzed in a laboratory if I so desire.  Evidence that meets my standards, not yours.

Finally, you seem to be so "comfortable" that you think nothing of insulting us.  You're painting a rather unflattering picture of you and your beliefs.  Could I perhaps convince you to apologize and then to desist from that particular behaviour?

I know God exists beyond and all doubt. If you don't like it that I tell the truth, then don't chat with me.

[Astreja]

I disagree.  Quantum physics simply does not work that way.  Its effects are at small scales, and they don't even scale up in macroscopic physics.

I'm no expert, but my understanding is that there is no obstacle in principle to such effects scaling up, it's just that probability bottoms out when you do, and so observing such effects is more difficult.

If there were, it would be rather peculiar for any scientist to be looking for such things.

Fascinating -- about the only thing I know about quantum physics is that it consistently makes me go "wait, what?"

I can sort of imagine why observing events would get difficult as one adds more entities to the mix.  Would a substantial majority of particles have to be producing one specific effect in order for it to be detectable at a larger scale?  Would there be a "noise" problem that makes it hard to distinguish a quantum effect from some other physical phenomenon?

[The Grand Nudger]

You believe that a god exists, however, the rationalizations you have presented for your beliefs have been so incompetent that even this has become suspect.  It's not so much that you believe in meat fairy, as you just don't know alot of other shit.

If these things that you've said are required to be true, for meat fairy to exist, then you have proven meat fairy's nonexistence yourself.

: shrugs :

If they are not required, and you do not base your belief on these things and can maintain your belief after they have been shown to be false..then they are irrelevant to your belief, and thus you have wasted your time, our time, and made yourself an unreliable apologist while eroding the credibility of your beliefs...for absolutely no reason.

Does any of this matter to you?

[Everena]

As I said above, Everena, the evidence has to meet my standards.  I do not find any past-life tales believable.

I work in a hospital.  Among other things, I type reports for neurologists.  I know a bit about EEGs.  Personality and awareness are expressed when we are conscious.  At such times the brain is comparatively active (for instance in the beta frequency range).  As waves slow down to gamma and then delta, we become drowsy  and then lose consciousness.  If the frequency of the waves drops to zero and stays there, we are dead.

If we can't retain awareness or a sense of self in stage IV delta wave sleep, with the brain generating frequencies of only 1-2 Hz, what do you suppose happens at a frequency of 0 Hz?

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Evolution is a human made term used to describe a process that we discovered was happening. It does not explain the first cause of anything including food. So no, that does not explain why we have food on this planet for the approx 7.8 million different species of conscious life.

Keep telling yourself that, Everena, if you must.  Go make offerings to the frigging Sandwich Faeries if it makes you happy.

But don't fucking pretend that you understand biology, okay?

I don't have to pretend. I received A's in biology in high school and college. I doubt you even went to college and your faulty understanding of it is not my problem.

[Bucky Ball]

Everena, I do not appreciate it when a total stranger calls us brainwashed, blind, or any other combination of words that implies that you have some blatantly obvious knowledge that we simply refuse to accept.  Do you honestly believe that we were never exposed to the stuff you're pushing?  That we never thought about it?  You're wrong.  We've thought about it a lot, some of us for decades.

Furthermore, I think it's counterproductive for you, or anyone else, to use the word "know" when presenting a worldview.  Call it belief and I have no problem with that.  I can easily accept that people believe things that I don't.   The moment you say "I know..." you have presented an unsupported assertion.  You have crossed from faith to alleged knowledge, and I for one want to see evidence.  Empirical evidence, something that I could have analyzed in a laboratory if I so desire.  Evidence that meets my standards, not yours.

Finally, you seem to be so "comfortable" that you think nothing of insulting us.  You're painting a rather unflattering picture of you and your beliefs.  Could I perhaps convince you to apologize and then to desist from that particular behaviour?

I know God exists beyond and all doubt. If you don't like it that I tell the truth, then don't chat with me.

Proof by repeated assertion fallacy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_assertion

You cannot claim to "tell the truth", as you have no evidence for your claims, (only your personal incredulity), AND you have demonstrated a PROFOUND ignorance of science, thus your assertions carry no weight at all.

Actually members of this forum will respond to anything they want, and no raving lunatic is going to tell them what they can or cannot say.

[I_am_not_mafia]

But don't fucking pretend that you understand biology, okay?

I don't have to pretend. I received A's in biology in high school and college. I doubt you even went to college and your faulty understanding of it is not my problem.

Oh well if we're arguing from authority.

I have a masters in evolutionary & adaptive systems. And also a PhD that made heavy use of artificial evolution.

You're talking shite.

[Mystic]

Two advices of Quran dear believer and challenger to Atheists:

"do not let those belittle you who are themselves not certain"
"there are some humans who argue with respect to God without knowledge nor an illuminating book, is it written who takes them (Singular) as (knowledgeable) authorities, they (similar) will lead to them the burning punishment."

Keep it up!

[Astreja]

I know God exists beyond and all doubt. If you don't like it that I tell the truth, then don't chat with me.

Oh, do fuck off, Everena. You came here, to us, with an unverifiable hypothesis and we're calling you out on it. We shall not be silenced. I will not recuse myself from this thread. I will not spare your feelings.

And I don't think you have the truth. From my perspective, all you have is a superstition that your imagination has built up into a castle in the sky.

I believe that your castle crumbles at the moment of physical death, and there isn't a prayer in the universe that can prevent that.

[Bucky Ball]

Every word that she types, proves she has no clue about science.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence
"Anecdotal evidence is evidence from anecdotes, i.e., evidence collected in a casual or informal manner and relying heavily or entirely on personal testimony. When compared to other types of evidence, anecdotal evidence is generally regarded as limited in value due to a number of potential weaknesses, but may be considered within the scope of scientific method as some anecdotal evidence can be both empirical and verifiable, e.g. in the use of case studies in medicine. Other anecdotal evidence, however, does not qualify as scientific evidence, because its nature prevents it from being investigated by the scientific method.