DNA Proves Existence of a Designer

[The Grand Nudger]

Everena:   It's pronouced Eh-vuh or Eh-vuh-renn-uh. And I am not denying evolution, just saying that there is very little evidence to support one species "turning into" an entirely different species. Almost no evidence, lots of conjecture and speculation. Lots and lots of evidence of adaption however, which is part of the theory of evol

Incorrect, as usual.  We have observed speciation in the lab and in the field, many times.  We've even seen cladogenesis in brassicas. The theory of evolution is the explanation for that observed phenomena...not a guess that it happens.

Even more hilariously, you don't know yourself. You are, indeed, denying evolution.

[Rahn127]

I don't believe you exist.
I think you're just a 1st generation AI language bot that some 13 year old cobbled together using christain forum replies.

It's why this thread is nearing 700 pages.
Bots don't get tired of spewing crap.

I'm not a Christian.

That's exactly what an AI bot would say.
I still don't believe you're a real person.

[I_am_not_mafia]

I'm not a Christian.

That's exactly what an AI bot would say.
I still don't believe you're a real person.

We could always use a captcha style test to determine if this is so.

[The Grand Nudger]

Everena: Yes, but the capacity for them to exist had to be there.

Sure, and since it was, and since both of those things..peeners and the will to use them...... did eventually arise by the entirely natural means of descent with modification...there is no need to invoke a meat fairy to explain either.

Everena: How do you know if anyone was starving back then? You weren't there. And are you seriously claiming food does not grow naturally all over the earth? Have you never picked a berry, eaten an apple, had some nuts, rice, potatoes, Have you heard of the Paleo diet? People are slimming down all over the place from following it. My doctor even follows it. What people are doing is adding chemicals to food to make them more addicting so they rake in the bucks and they are making everyone fat. I know we have enhanced and sweetened some foods (for money again) but there is a ton of food that just tastes good naturally.

The same way you could know, if you wanted to.  We observe that the remains of human beings in pre agricultural societies show signs that would, if we saw them in a living human being today, indicate starvation (along with a whole host of other ailments we have since produced treatments for).  The first agriculturalists were only marginally better off...and had to contend with what we call the hungry gap until suitable cold and hot weather cultivars, season extension methods...and inter-latitudinal trade were developed.

Of the list of things you just mentioned...berries, apples, nuts, rice, and taters...-all have been engineered by us to be as you know them today. They didn't start out that way. Berries and apples did not require the big, sweet, juicy fruits that you eat. In point of fact, those things are liabilities to both in the wild and you'll find that wild berries are more seed than anything else. Almonds, as an example..were bred out from a cultivar that was lethal to us, as were taters...and rice (like corn, form before) did not produce a useful seed until we sought to make it so.

Thje real paleo diet was something known as starving until you yourself were eaten. The paleo diet you are referring to..is marketing (I fucking knew it, part of your religion is based on quack advertising, lol), made possible by our having engineered those foodstuffs and created a system of distribution to get them to you.

Everena: We did not create food or anything else on this planet and why on earth do you think we did??? We just took what was already here and sometimes modified it (for more money)

We modified living organisms simply to survive.  Agriculture predates money by a few thousand years...but, is actually one of the things we invented money for.  It's not easy to carry a bushel of corn in your pocket.  

(unless you have very, very large pockets)

Everena: False, all of what we eat grows naturally, (including meat,eggs, dairy) and then is sometimes later modified for a number of reasons including shelf life. Back to school with you.

Agriculture is the definition of an unnatural system.  Ever notice that you don't run across tomato forests when you're out there camping?  

Everena: False. We grow enough food each year to feed 10 billion people

Yes, -we- do..we engage in the systematic destruction of natural environments to favor (usually) a single crop, that we have created, and which cannot exist without our constant intervention....so that we might feed the people around us, which would otherwise be impossible...and..again, even while we do this, natural stocks collapse due to consumption and people still starve.  

What does meat fairy do? What is meat fairy's contribution here?

Everena: If it's here, it's natural on our planet. We aren't making food out of stuff from other planets

That you have an idiosyncratic definition of what is or isn't natural, the only purpose of which is to argue with me... doesn't demonstrate a thing or argue against any fact that I have seen fit to gift you with so that you don't sound like such an idiot going forward.

Everena: Bullshit

You'll have to be a tad bit more specific, lol?

Everena: There are 7.8 million different species of life all accessing a food supply. 11.7 million when you include plant life that also requires food. Grip reality soon.

Yes, and the food supply which they are accessing..is each other.  Again, what use is meat fairy in all of this?  

Everena: Social problems are ours to fix and we are perfectly capable of fixing them. Anything that is wrong here is our fault, not Gods

All problems of natural evil can only be your meat fairy's grand design..and if there is no natural evil by which to refine us , then the soul mill has no engine by which to work.  You cannot maintain this objection here and your beliefs..rationally, consistently, and simultaneously.

Either your god intentionally created us as we are, on this rock as it was, or it didn't.  Make up your mind.

 Everena: FALSE. We eat what is available to eat on this planet.

LOL.  OFC it is nutbar.  And....?

Everena: False. I can go pick willd growing food right now. Grip reality soon.

OFC you can, but that doesn;t change the fact that your fridge is chock full of shit that isn't "wild grown"...and theres a better than fair chance that whatever you're thinking of as "wild grown" food..is actually a product of our intervention.  

Everena: False. I am just not brainwashed by atheist propaganda and bullshit. 

If you could present some examples of atheist propaganda and bullshit that would be helpful.  I'm not convinced that you even know what atheism is.  

Everena: Wow, I cannot believe I missed this beauty. There is nothing surviving and fucking that does not possess intelligence genius (except maybe you)

That would be a discovery worthy of a nobel prize.  Go, collect it.  

"Nothing" doesn't care.....................................? Everena:  EXACTLY Checkmate atheist, checkmate......

Checkmate, what, pigeon?

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-ya really need to learn to use the quote function..this shit is atrocious.

[Astreja]

IMO, it's not a particularly inspiring Superior Intelligence ™ if it can't even figure out how to properly use a quote function, despite being given actual instructions on same.

My Spidey senses are tingling. I've seen this particularly clunky quote style elsewhere, probably on another forum, sometime in the last year or so. The avatar and username were different, though.

[Angrboda]

Yup she's trotted out the . "You atheists are meanies" excuse .

I am not a troll and I don't have to use any excuses since I have won every debate on here hands down, by anyone's standards.

[unfogged]

As someone who has suffered through quite a bit of pain both as a child and as an adult, I would much rather have an explanation for the pain, rather than think it was just happening to me for no reason at all. And it has the benefit of a positive outcome as well.

What you wish to be true has no bearing on what is true.

I am not ignorant and I am not the one pretending evolution is a first cause. Get over it. The first cause had to be intelligent period

Arguing from ignorance and/or incredulity is fallacious.  Actually, pretty much everything you post is fallacious.  I'd say you were exhibiting Dunning-Kruger but that would be insulting to people with limited understanding of the topics involved.

natural selection filters the changes that enhance survival from those that hinder it.  
Everena: Define natural in that context.

You say you understand evolution but need the "natural" in "natural selection" defined?  I really hope you are a troll or a bot because it would be amazing to see a real person who is that vacuous.

I said bigger than this planet so learn to read. And form and force is what I meant. (You know, like may the force be with you. lol)

A "force bigger than this planet" is a meaningless phrase; talking about  force in terms of physical size makes no sense.  Either way, just being "bigger than this planet" is effectively zero when compared to the universe; the limited scope of your vision is showing.

Your argument so far boils down to "I don't understand how things could have happened therefore there must be a god that did it". You have no evidence for any of your beliefs, just repeated assertions based on ignorance and incredulity. I'd say your posts here have set theism back at least 200 years. Good job.

[The Grand Nudger]

Here's an interesting thought on soul making beliefs.

If the amount of pain and suffering on this rock exists as an intentional plot to make us better, then doesn't every improvement we make on this rock to alleviate that suffering make the soul mill that much less effective?  God used to teach us a lesson with polio, but then we eradicated it - is he up there cooking up some new disease to hit us with, or is he giving up?

How will we ever get our souls to the point of optimal refinement if we keep improving our earthly lives?

[I_am_not_mafia]

Here's an interesting thought on soul making beliefs.

If the amount of pain and suffering on this rock exists as an intentional plot to make us better, then doesn't every improvement we make on this rock to alleviate that suffering make the soul mill that much less effective?  God used to teach us a lesson with polio, but then we eradicated it - is he up there cooking up some new disease to hit us with, or is he giving up?

How will we ever get our souls to the point of optimal refinement if we keep improving our earthly lives?

Other questions I have:

• What is a soul?
  
• How can it continue to exist as energy without the use of matter?
  
• When does a soul get created? At conception? Birth? After birth?
  
• Or is there a finite pool of souls or does Mr God create them on demand and insert them in a fetus?
  
• Is this automated? If not then why are souls given to a fetus before a miscarriage?
  
• What is the power source of a soul?
  
• Why can't we harvest souls for cheap energy?
  
• Why don't we remain conscious when given anesthetic?
  
• Why does brain damage result in a change of personality if who you are lives on after brain death?
  
• Is a soul eternal even though it has a beginning?
  
• How do eternal souls manage to violate the second law of Thermodynamics?
  
• Or have souls always existed? In which case why can't energy have always existed? We don't need anything more than that to explain the universe.
  
• Do other animals have souls? If so at what point do we get to something that does not have a soul?
  

[KevinM1]

IMO, it's not a particularly inspiring Superior Intelligence ™ if it can't even figure out how to properly use a quote function, despite being given actual instructions on same.

My Spidey senses are tingling.  I've seen this particularly clunky quote style elsewhere, probably on another forum, sometime in the last year or so.  The avatar and username were different, though.

Negatio, in the Philosophy section a few months back.