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RE: Open discussion of the Christian Why We're Here thread
May 5, 2018 at 8:54 pm
(May 5, 2018 at 8:43 pm)Joods Wrote: (May 5, 2018 at 8:40 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Well, it was nice until Neo showed up...
I agree. I also agree that while he complained about A Theist using the quote system in the debate thread, he was disingenuous about answering the question put to those allowed to post there. So he can't even follow the rules he expects others to follow.
Was this whole thing just a way for him to be able to call us all deluded, hateful sinners without any repercussions? How fun.
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RE: Open discussion of the Christian Why We're Here thread
May 5, 2018 at 8:56 pm
(May 5, 2018 at 8:54 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: (May 5, 2018 at 8:43 pm)Joods Wrote: I agree. I also agree that while he complained about A Theist using the quote system in the debate thread, he was disingenuous about answering the question put to those allowed to post there. So he can't even follow the rules he expects others to follow.
Was this whole thing just a way for him to be able to call us all deluded, hateful sinners without any repercussions? How fun.
It would seem that way, although people are going to say that isn't the case.
I've become a novice in the reading of bullshit so yeah - I can see where all of this is going to end up.
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RE: Open discussion of the Christian Why We're Here thread
May 5, 2018 at 8:59 pm
(May 5, 2018 at 8:33 pm)Joods Wrote: Neo wrote:
Quote:Psalm 1 advises us to not associate around with people who, by adopting the title of atheist, have already signaled their intentional rejection of belief. (I do not believe their self-delusion that an atheist simply lacks belief.)
and:
Quote:The majority of AF atheists are New Atheist groupies who spit out one-liners the way candy pops out of Pez heads.
And some people wonder why some atheists go on the defensive. It's because crap like that is said that generalizes atheists. We shouldn't have to stay silent or keep our opinions to ourselves. Theists want to come in here and say they don't feel like they are treated fairly or they can't debate properly with atheists because of insults and shit slinging coming from atheists, but when they show us that they are not capable of playing by their own rules, they make it difficult to play nice in return.
Please don't ask us to give what you aren't will to give in the first place. Knowing that we can't respond directly on that thread because atheists don't have permission, is really bullshit. The two quotes above don't even address the actual question being asked of Christians. It's just another way for Neo to get a jab in while feeling superior and untouchable in the process.
Sorry but those comments should be dealt with by a moderator because they don't stick to the actual debate topic and are in no way civilized comments. An great irony don't you think.
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RE: Open discussion of the Christian Why We're Here thread
May 5, 2018 at 9:01 pm
(May 5, 2018 at 8:59 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: (May 5, 2018 at 8:33 pm)Joods Wrote: Neo wrote:
and:
And some people wonder why some atheists go on the defensive. It's because crap like that is said that generalizes atheists. We shouldn't have to stay silent or keep our opinions to ourselves. Theists want to come in here and say they don't feel like they are treated fairly or they can't debate properly with atheists because of insults and shit slinging coming from atheists, but when they show us that they are not capable of playing by their own rules, they make it difficult to play nice in return.
Please don't ask us to give what you aren't will to give in the first place. Knowing that we can't respond directly on that thread because atheists don't have permission, is really bullshit. The two quotes above don't even address the actual question being asked of Christians. It's just another way for Neo to get a jab in while feeling superior and untouchable in the process.
Sorry but those comments should be dealt with by a moderator because they don't stick to the actual debate topic and are in no way civilized comments. An great irony don't you think.
Isn't that sort of the point of my post?
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RE: Open discussion of the Christian Why We're Here thread
May 5, 2018 at 9:06 pm
(May 5, 2018 at 9:01 pm)Joods Wrote: (May 5, 2018 at 8:59 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: An great irony don't you think.
Isn't that sort of the point of my post? Yup
I was just agreeing with you 
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RE: Open discussion of the Christian Why We're Here thread
May 5, 2018 at 9:10 pm
(May 5, 2018 at 8:54 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: (May 5, 2018 at 8:43 pm)Joods Wrote: I agree. I also agree that while he complained about A Theist using the quote system in the debate thread, he was disingenuous about answering the question put to those allowed to post there. So he can't even follow the rules he expects others to follow.
Was this whole thing just a way for him to be able to call us all deluded, hateful sinners without any repercussions? How fun.
That whole debate thread has a fox news feel to it.
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RE: Open discussion of the Christian Why We're Here thread
May 5, 2018 at 9:14 pm
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(May 5, 2018 at 2:22 pm)Hammy Wrote: I liked Neo's post least of all. It was worse than Drich's!
I mean, look at what he says here:
Neo Wrote: I see knowledge as a means to an end, not an end unto itself.
That's the problem with your whole view on things, Neo!
It totally sums up how he cares about the Christian agenda more than knowing the truth itself. If his aim was to seek out knowledge for its own sake perhaps he wouldn't be so ignorant of the fact that his faith was a load of bollocks and certainly not worth being made the aim of knowledge.
I agree with most all of this except for two things. One, I haven't read Drich because he belongs on ignore. And two, Neo's obsession with a Christian agenda bothers me less than his obsession with treating people as objects. Perhaps he is somewhere on the spectrum or maybe he is depressed. People who suffer from anhedonia aren't motivated by the normal range of human responses and also have difficulty understanding the motives of others.
If there are constitutional reasons for his insistence on treating people as means to ends it is understandable and much more easily forgiven. If it is a character flaw, then it reflects poorly on his understanding of the character and message of the Jesus in the stories of the bible. Doesn't look like he gets it.
(May 5, 2018 at 2:22 pm)Hammy Wrote: The other especially pathetic part was this:
Neo Wrote: The Light dwells in the darkness and the darkness knew it not. This lot have put blankets of falsity over their windows having already closed their eyes to truth.
To each his own. I'd nominate this part personally: (But congratulations on figuring out how to quote people directly in that thread.)
Neo Wrote:By asking about the role of Christians on AF, I’m not concerned about our personal motives, such as finding community, verbally joisting, or playing games. I question, in general, if there are any justifications for Christians, as Christians, to participate on AF and if so what such reasons could be. Throughout this discussion I will argue that Christian participation on AF, and similar venues, does little to glorify God or further the Kingdom. Additionally, I will argue that participation on atheist forums, ultimately, is of little benefit to developing and strengthening an individual Christian’s faith.
(May 5, 2018 at 2:22 pm)Hammy Wrote: So far what I've learned from this is I like CL as much as ever...
And as for this question:
Neo Wrote: As such, if you have no ambitions beyond educating yourself such as overcoming objections of non-believers so they may come to Christ or strengthening your faith to be more effective in other missions?
If CL has no ambitions beyond that... then what? He's completely missing the then part. If you have no ambitions besides X so they may Y then ??????????
Agreed. I find fundamentalists obsession with rule-following and the non-stop judgement of others boring, annoying and pathetic.
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RE: Open discussion of the Christian Why We're Here thread
May 5, 2018 at 9:25 pm
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Mark, why do you hate God so much? 
Yeah, Neo is just one verse away from MK. Sad really.
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RE: Open discussion of the Christian Why We're Here thread
May 5, 2018 at 9:27 pm
He is just building the magical kingdom. Sounds sane to me.
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RE: Open discussion of the Christian Why We're Here thread
May 5, 2018 at 9:41 pm
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(May 5, 2018 at 9:14 pm)Whateverist Wrote: (May 5, 2018 at 2:22 pm)Hammy Wrote: I liked Neo's post least of all. It was worse than Drich's!
I mean, look at what he says here:
That's the problem with your whole view on things, Neo!
It totally sums up how he cares about the Christian agenda more than knowing the truth itself. If his aim was to seek out knowledge for its own sake perhaps he wouldn't be so ignorant of the fact that his faith was a load of bollocks and certainly not worth being made the aim of knowledge.
I agree with most all of this except for two things. One, I haven't read Drich because he belongs on ignore. And two, Neo's obsession with a Christian agenda bothers me less than his obsession with treating people as objects. Perhaps he is somewhere on the spectrum or maybe he is depressed. People who suffer from anhedonia aren't motivated by the normal range of human responses and also have difficulty understanding the motives of others.
My bold. I would have given your post a thorough response like I always do (to everyone, even people I should feel nothing but contempt for... and I actually really like you Whateves)
But... I stopped reading after the bolded part. I think you are confusing autism with psychopathy. I've had a stressful, unusual and very much lonely day (I did an hour's walk home at 1.30 in the morning in the dark) so perhaps I am being hypersensitive but this made my gut sink.
And yeah, Neo is an unfeeling cunt who treats people like objects. I don't though, and as you know I'm very much "on the spectrum." Unfortunately.
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