Is there free will in heaven?

[Faith No More]

I still fail to see why heaven wouldn't be getting it on 24/7.

[reverendjeremiah]

Salty - who defines what's unhealthy?

1. family - your parents are usually the first to tell you not to do drugs, even if they're actively doing them or they tried them, they tend to want something better for you, something more healthy, like a body that isn't weighed down by bad choices in drugs, friends and influences.
2. your body - by its reactions to what you're doing, the breath stinks and the teeth start to breakdown if you're forcing yourself to vomit in mid digestion. If you don't properly clean a wound and it gets infected usually puss or something abnormal will appear and pain will be attached, that's not helathy.
3. society - there are lots of things society looks down on and one of them is overreating. I watched the show Heavy and let me tell you, that kind of lifestyle is unhealthy.
4. science - science helps us understand our bodies and therefore also helps us take advantage of hand sanitizer and other things that will lower the chances for us to catch sicknesses.

So, anything that you chose that your family doesnt agree with is not healthy. Garlic, vegetables, and onions are not healthy because they give you bad breath. Anything that society doesnt agree with is not healthy.

The only thing I agree with is your science answer.

there are lots of things society looks down on and one of them is overreating. I watched the show Heavy and let me tell you, that kind of lifestyle is unhealthy.

May I remind you in soviet russia religions such as Christianity was also looked down on by society.

Since when does society decide what is healthy and what isnt? thats like society deciding wether Gravity is effective or not.

[thesummerqueen]

Still basing actions on what everyone else thinks. [shrugs]

[ElDinero]

This is another thing. Why should what my loved ones like about me be the thing that defines me?

Once again salty shows that she has plenty of presuppositions about how humans SHOULD be, and is unable to grasp people who don't conform to this.

[salty]

Heaven won't accomodate anything that is recognized as sin to God, it's a place where the Lord is giving us the body and mind that he gave Jesus.

So everyone will act more or less the same then, that's what I thought. People don't work this way.

It sounds to me like you think that we will lose our individuality. We won't, God loves us and is excited to see us redeemed without flaw as we will be in Heaven. To be given the body and mind of Jesus is not to become Jesus in person, but to in fact rise into a person that is enjoys the Lord's ways because that person finds God's ways holy and trustworthy!

I know what you mean by desiring to do what you want to do, whether it's called "sin" or not...to sleep with people you desire, to drink, to do things your way here and there. But do those things really define you? Aren't people usually defined by the things that make them proud? The things that make them "worthy" in the sight of people the love? You invite your loved ones to your graduation because you're proud of the effort that you put into achieving a higher level of education, do you then invite them to your orgy because you want them to know another part of yourself that you're proud of? Doesn't that seem unfit? Doesn't it seem more appropriate for your loved ones to know that you enjoy doing good, than for them to know that you enjoying doing things to your body that are less than healthy?

What if they do define me? Answer the question instead of suggesting alternatives. What if the thing I'm most proud of in the world is sleeping with a ton of women? What if I have a son who looks up to me because when I was his age I was a lothario and put it about like a trooper?
The point remains either way - my hedonistic attitude is a major part of me, yes. It's part of why I laugh so much, it's part of why I love joking around and why I have a love of life. So yes, you could certainly say they contribute to the way I'm defined. The physical act of getting hammered or having sex is one part of a larger approach, but they are things I enjoy doing. If you take away those things, then I am not me, am I?

Since you've already told me those things aren't allowed in heaven, you've got two options. Either there is no free will in heaven, or you think I'm going somewhere else. Over to you.

Freewill revolves around choices.

Heaven will not lack choices, therefore freewill will be present. Sin will be eradicated but not forgotten, we will have reached a point where we do not have the desire to do evil because we are firmly reconnected to God, we know the consequences of evil, we remember sin and we will eventually know who made it to heaven and who didnt and why. All secrets will be revealed to us, all things done in the dark will be brought to light, every person's trial before the Lord will be public. If you think that freewill will die with the eradication of evil, then you never understood that the angels chose whether to side with Lucifer or God before evil was even realized on earth. Everyone, angel and man is given a choice...freewill, our choices will lead to our final resting place.

If you choose sex to define you, then you're not seeking heaven as your resting place.

[frankiej]

Your fuckin' nuts, mate.

[Erinome]

The more she talks about it, the better that lake of fire is starting to sound....

[The Grand Nudger]

God loves us, that's why our perceived flaws are such a big deal to him, why he'll exercise his mind control abilities to remove our nagging presence while keeping our thoughtless worshipful resurrection bodies around to sing about how totally fucking awesome he is....sigh. Why don't you just draw us a tourist map of heaven, fuck, it's like you grew up there you know so much about the place. Sounds like a shitty theme park that's already had it's day to me, but what do I know?

[ElDinero]

Freewill revolves around choices.

Heaven will not lack choices, therefore freewill will be present. Sin will be eradicated but not forgotten, we will have reached a point where we do not have the desire to do evil because we are firmly reconnected to God, we know the consequences of evil, we remember sin and we will eventually know who made it to heaven and who didnt and why. All secrets will be revealed to us, all things done in the dark will be brought to light, every person's trial before the Lord will be public. If you think that freewill will die with the eradication of evil, then you never understood that the angels chose whether to side with Lucifer or God before evil was even realized on earth. Everyone, angel and man is given a choice...freewill, our choices will lead to our final resting place.

If you choose sex to define you, then you're not seeking heaven as your resting place.

Look, it's as simple as this. Free will is the ability to make your own choices. You're saying that you can make your own choices, as long as it's a choice that is one of the things God wants you to do. Can you really not see why that is NOT free will?

If I have five different types of sandwiches, and say you have free will to pick any of them as long as it's either chicken or beef, not the other three, have I given you free will? No. Stop claiming you'll have free will when the rest of what you're saying DIRECTLY contradicts that.

You're right on one thing, I'm not seeking your shitty idea of heaven. Even if I believed in an afterlife, your brand sounds nauseating and boring.

But since you've breached the subject a little, where am I going if I live this life of hedonism salty? Go ahead, you can say it.

[reverendjeremiah]

If you choose sex to define you, then you're not seeking heaven as your resting place.

Who said I was wanting to go to Heaven anyways? From waht I have heard, the place is going to be fucking boring. Not to mention having to spend eternity with people like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell? I would rather have my balls cut off than spend eternity with those hateful idiots... or, quite frankly Salt, with people like you. Eventually I would snap and go postal on everyone in Heaven until every neck was broken.

*yawn* I grow tired of watching salty dig a hole and repeat herself like a scratched CD.



"you kids get the Hell off my lawn!"

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God loves us, that's why our perceived flaws are such a big deal to him, why he'll exercise his mind control abilities to remove our nagging presence while keeping our thoughtless worshipful resurrection bodies around to sing about how totally fucking awesome he is....sigh. Why don't you just draw us a tourist map of heaven, fuck, it's like you grew up there you know so much about the place. Sounds like a shitty theme park that's already had it's day to me, but what do I know?

Yeah..I know...right. Shes making shit up on the spot, and then using myth stories from the bible to supplement them.

Heaven is nothing more than in her imagination.... no wonder she knows so much about it.

Too bad salty is dead wrong about Heaven. I know about the REAL Heaven. I even know where it is!

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Heaven is a topless bar near the airport.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niqVVENiY2c

To top it off, I ask if I could disagree with God when Im in heaven, and you told me that i wouldnt have that option. Then you turn around and say that the angels had freewill to revolt against god in Heaven.

Its quite obvious you are making this stuff up as you go...you cant even keep consistent. Just admit it, you are making this stuff up as you go.