I am a better person than God!

[Little Rik]

Ok guys, let me see if I got your message................

You say...........IF MY GROWN UP BOY (NOW A MAN) DOES SOMETHING VERY WRONG I AM FULLY RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS ACTIONS.

and...........i am evil because I can not prevent my grown up son to do evil things.

One more thing.
Suppose somebody rape and kill your lovely only daughter what sort of punishment would you give to the one who did that?  
Would you forget and forgive or would you ask for maximum revenge?

[vorlon13]

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[The Grand Nudger]

Needs moar foreskins.

[The Industrial Atheist]

Not to mention David was Gods homie, and he was a torturer and a murderer. Yahweh liketh whom he liketh.

[Godscreated]

You should be asking yourself why you an the rest of humanity allows these children to die, there is enough food in this world to feed everyone, yet nothing is being done about it. Why? Could it have to do with love of money, love of self, I'm just one person what can I do, space travel that will not help the starving children, wasted money on fancy cars, homes and clothing, feeding our fat bellies till we complain we've eaten to much, shall I go one I'm sure there are at least a 1000 more reasons man cares so little. The pastor should have answered you like this, God has put us here to help those in need, we are the physical hands and feet of God, we are to go and do for others, give of ourselves. Now I'm sure that many atheist here will respond for different reasons but none will admit it is our (human race) responsibility to give up all the stuff we think we deserve to help those who are in need. God help us all!

GC

Of COURSE human beings bear the responsibility for human suffering - there is simply no one else to blame it on.

You are correct sir it is we who bear the responsibility, God gave us a moral spirit with which to help those who are in need. God has done His part know it is up to us to respond.

But if you live in a haze-filled Godism, it is incumbent upon you to determine why children get bone cancer, harlequin foetus syndrome, and 1000 other fatal or debilitating birth defects when God could simply have made those impossible.  Or - in the case of children dying from malnutrition or preventable diseases - it is YOUR job to explain why God couldn't at least ameliorate this by making people less greedy and more giving.

As has been explained to you a 1000 times sin and not just the original sin has brought these things upon man, God cursed the earth because of Adam and Eve's disobedience and the result is all the horrible things we encounter in life. God can not just take away what He knew had to be, that would not be just, a penalty must be paid for "our" rebellion.  God gave us a moral compass to act upon and if we ignore it then that's on us, as I said God has done His job and now it is our responsibility to act. You and all those who do not want to be blamed for the condition of this world will try and put the responsibility you have off on someone else, that isn't even close to being responsible for your own account. I see on here day after day how Christians are responsible for global warming and don't say the atheist here do not do that because a thousand responses could be pulled up to show differently. You sir as I and everyone else are responsible for global warming, those who smoke, those who cook, those who drive motor vehicles, burn a fire in a fire place or any of another 100 reasons all have a hand in this problem.  So everyone should quit blaming God and others and get off their lazy a.. and do something, or shut up.

In a universe with an all powerful, all knowing and all merciful God, EVERYTHING has to be laid at God's door, any other position is simply ludicrous nonsense.  In a universe without such a God (and ONLY in such a universe) we have only ourselves to blame.

Boru

 How do you justify blaming God, it is your sin and mine that causes all these terrible things, God's not responsible for our actions, we are. That would be like committing a murder and then saying it was dad who did it when your finger prints are all over the weapon.

GC

[The Grand Nudger]

Yet another demonstration of gods creation being better than god.  See, we don;t blame kids and their "sins" for their maladies, and even when someone -is- to blame for some fucked up thing..we still help.  

I;m guessing that GC here just isn;t one of the folks thats better than his imaginary god, is all. That;s hardly surprising, since GC's gods proper name is GC.

[Drich]

A few years ago a 7 year old girl was raped, strangled, and drowned in a creek. The suspect is in custody. 

If I had been on the scene, I woud have done everything in my power to stop this crime. I believe all of you would have. 

Every believer on this site, CL, GC, Drich, MK, Atlas, would have done what it takes to stop this crime.

Instead, what we are told by believers is that we have free will and the assailant will one day be accountable.

What this means is that if we were to act like god we should not intervene but observe the crime occuring then bear witness at his trial. 

I believe our morals are superior to the God of Moses/ Jesus/ Muhammed!

Here's the thing moron..

What if you knew the actions of the rape would play out far worse on the girl than a quick death would, would you then condemn the girl to a life time or torment or a death that welcomed here back to a loving Father?

Or what if she was to be inseminated and that lead to a monster child/anti Christ the would bring an end to this world?

Or even better yet what if she went unraped made some bad life decision and she became patient zero in a zombie apocalypse?

Or how about this... If not for rape Humanity would have been an extinct inbreed monkey race that never made it out of the trees.

Where your single dimensional thing fails you is that no matter what sin God would allow, you have no true perspective and think that 'terrible sin' (by your own single dimensional thinking the worst thing in the world. example. what if God eliminated everything by white lies.. then by your reason here with rape white lies would become as evil as rape to you and you would go on and on about how much better you are than God because you distain white lies.... You have no idea of the evil you are being shielded from and aside fro the destruction of your very soul through some heinous act nether do I.

But I do know there is a limit on the evil man can visit on each other. granted some of it is pretty bad in that we can have out bodies destroied by another, but again out souls remain in tact (untill judgement.)

[The Grand Nudger]

Apparently, that final level of evil...the peak, is reserved for god to inflict upon man.  Makes you wonder how any of our evils compare...really.

[Drich]

Apparently, that final level of evil...the peak, is reserved for god to inflict upon man.  Makes you wonder how any of our evils compare...really.

Evil or kindness?

Your evil puts you in Hell

If God were Evil He would demand nothing destroy your spirit and you remain in Hell forever.

Rather what the bible/Jesus says is God destroys the spirit in Hell.

Granted you/we are the one who Choose Hell, but how do we really know what Hell is unless we endure it for a time? and then No one would want to go, so they would all flood Heaven.. Even those who Hate God. You wouldn't want "those people" living with you for eternity would you? I certainly do not.

Imagine top ISIS fighter being made to live in your home with your family and you can't say boo about it.. Or again should God not seperate those who hate Him and His followers forever?

[The Grand Nudger]

If God were Evil He would demand nothing destroy your spirit and you remain in Hell forever.

Which is exactly what it's going to do to me, to hear you tell the tale...though I guess maybe it will make some ludicrous demand before carrying out the inevitable...because that makes it....less(?) evil. 

Thx for confirmation that you see your silly god as evil..I guess? I know, I know, not a problem for you, god does what it wants and whatever it wants is, by default, the definition of righteousness, regardless of whatever that is.

: shrugs :

I;m legitimately getting a kick out of imagining an alternate universe in which I;m as powerless as you are, though. You practically ooze the need for some sugar daddy to do what you can;t and make you feel better about your lot in life, always have.