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RE: Theists: how do you account for psychopaths?
May 26, 2018 at 12:30 am
I hereby declare rahowa.
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RE: Theists: how do you account for psychopaths?
May 26, 2018 at 12:38 am
Quote:Again, I'd say it depends. Killing off all the Indians certainly wasn't detrimental to the settlers.
Yes it was in a zero sum game or goal theory it was the worst move they could have made . And i'm hard pressed to think of a metaethics that would disagree .
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RE: Theists: how do you account for psychopaths?
May 26, 2018 at 12:41 am
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The world is upside down Tiz...these fuckin "people"..........
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RE: Theists: how do you account for psychopaths?
May 26, 2018 at 12:45 am
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(May 26, 2018 at 12:41 am)Khemikal Wrote: The world is upside down Tiz...these fuckin "people".......... To put it mildly
The idea that genocide could be beneficial to the killers is nuts . Murder is the result of people not comprehending that murder will not benefit them in any way . And will in fact hurt them in the long run .
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RE: Theists: how do you account for psychopaths?
May 26, 2018 at 4:00 am
(May 25, 2018 at 9:40 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I think everything will make sense to us someday, and we will understand why.
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RE: Theists: how do you account for psychopaths?
May 26, 2018 at 8:53 am
(May 25, 2018 at 8:06 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (May 25, 2018 at 5:45 pm)Edwardo Piet Wrote: But you do presume that such a being has a good reason for allowing awful things to happen to innocent children and animals.
I presume He has a good reason for allowing the natural world to take its course as it may. Sometimes good comes of that, sometimes bad comes of that. I presume overall the net good is greater, in the grand scheme of things.
There's that 'net good' comment again . . .
So it's okay for these awful things to happen if it leads to a 'net good'?
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RE: Theists: how do you account for psychopaths?
May 26, 2018 at 9:29 am
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Nature doesn't go "as it may" though, does it? It goes exactly how God wants it to.
I recently made a video which directly tackles this idea that there is some good reason which explains why God created and allows suffering.
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RE: Theists: how do you account for psychopaths?
May 26, 2018 at 9:32 am
(May 25, 2018 at 9:07 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: 1) Is anything right or wrong at all? (metaethics- I think this is what you really want to know.).
2) Why is murder wrong? (this is what you asked, but without me filling in #1, the answer to this may be dissatisfying).
3) Even assuming that it can be demonstrated that murder is wrong, why should I not murder someone if I can easily get away with it? ("If God is dead, everything is permitted"-Dostoevsky).
Can I answer these as well?
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RE: Theists: how do you account for psychopaths?
May 26, 2018 at 9:40 am
(May 26, 2018 at 8:53 am)Edwardo Piet Wrote: (May 25, 2018 at 8:06 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I presume He has a good reason for allowing the natural world to take its course as it may. Sometimes good comes of that, sometimes bad comes of that. I presume overall the net good is greater, in the grand scheme of things.
There's that 'net good' comment again . . .
So it's okay for these awful things to happen if it leads to a 'net good'?
Right, and "net good" still isn't a defense if the bad things were completely unecessary in gaining that result.
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RE: Theists: how do you account for psychopaths?
May 26, 2018 at 9:41 am
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(May 26, 2018 at 9:40 am)robvalue Wrote: (May 26, 2018 at 8:53 am)Edwardo Piet Wrote: There's that 'net good' comment again . . .
So it's okay for these awful things to happen if it leads to a 'net good'?
Right, and "net good" still isn't a defense if the bad things were completely unecessary in gaining that result.
This is my point as well. If God can literally do anything that is logically possible then he doesn't have to allow bad stuff to exist at all. 'Net good' only makes sense if he's not all powerful. If he's all powerful he could just create a world of 100% goodness. This 'natural world' is completely unnecessary because literally nothing is necessary as a means to an end for a God that can literally create a perfect world with perfect beings right from the outset and keep it that way.
Why does God even make finite imperfect beings in the first place?
CL gave this example of her having to take the cats to the vet and they can't know that it's ultimately for their own good even though they suffer initially. Well, like I said, it's a totally false analogy because it's supposedly God that makes suffering exist in the first place. Suffering wouldn't be needed for a means to an end if God got rid of the suffering. Or didn't allow it in the first place when he by definition does NOT have to allow it.
To be honest... it's starting to sound like God cannot only not do the logically impossible but he also can't do the metaphysically impossible... and perhaps what is metaphysically possible is actually rather unimpressive and limited compared to a being that could do anything logically possible. There's a big difference between 'the most powerful being in the universe' and a 'perfect being beyond the universe'.
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