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RE: What is your problem with Islam? Think about it
May 29, 2018 at 7:49 pm
There is been plenty of revolution in middle-east. One form of government for another... same shit, different people... all in the clutches of Iblis' hands.
We need to rethink the problem. Quran came so we reflect and think about the issue of power.
That is why it talked about the Taghut so much for example and other subjects relevant to it.
Atlas, I will not support no awakening without a thorough game plan. They will be hijacked by the worse people otherwise.
The worst thing that can happen to the world is we get people claiming authority of Islam ruling the world as a super power - so this time I am going to move about to make sure this revolution works, it's not some shitty plan like always.
It will leave a long distaste of Islam like never again if we become a super power but with perverse interpretation of Islam we have now.
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RE: What is your problem with Islam? Think about it
May 29, 2018 at 8:54 pm
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Sure, sure, you could blame it on demons. That's definitely going to make for a brighter tomorrow. We tried that for a few centuries, too.
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RE: What is your problem with Islam? Think about it
May 29, 2018 at 9:26 pm
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My problem with Islam is that it’s a religion.
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RE: What is your problem with Islam? Think about it
May 30, 2018 at 1:41 am
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(May 29, 2018 at 3:51 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: How could a "disbeliever" accepts Allah? They don't and Islam doesn't tolerate them as you admit yourself in next lines
(May 29, 2018 at 3:51 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: the verse is speaking about "hypocrites" and "two faces", or in other words what secular people call "traitors"; and these are non-believers.
No, secular people don't call people of other religions "traitors" and you are OK with them being killed, that is not very tolerate toward people of other religion.
(May 29, 2018 at 3:51 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: As for cutting the hand of the thieve; yes; we Muslims believe in the cutting of the hand -without prison-
Well there you go, you don't get to complain how these "other" Muslims are "butchering their own people" when you are for butchering yourself.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: What is your problem with Islam? Think about it
May 30, 2018 at 3:18 am
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(May 29, 2018 at 7:49 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: There is been plenty of revolution in middle-east. One form of government for another... same shit, different people... all in the clutches of Iblis' hands.
We need to rethink the problem. Quran came so we reflect and think about the issue of power.
That is why it talked about the Taghut so much for example and other subjects relevant to it.
Atlas, I will not support no awakening without a thorough game plan. They will be hijacked by the worse people otherwise.
The worst thing that can happen to the world is we get people claiming authority of Islam ruling the world as a super power - so this time I am going to move about to make sure this revolution works, it's not some shitty plan like always.
It will leave a long distaste of Islam like never again if we become a super power but with perverse interpretation of Islam we have now.
Okay..you work on that revolution.
(May 30, 2018 at 1:41 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: (May 29, 2018 at 3:51 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: How could a "disbeliever" accepts Allah? They don't and Islam doesn't tolerate them as you admit yourself in next lines ?
No no no, you crossed the line of cherry picking, to the line of ignoring my post, thinking that it will prove your bias..
I expected better from you. Here are the verses about the toleration of non-Muslims again:
Quote:Sura 60, The Quran:
( 8 ) Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.
( 9 ) Allah only forbids you from those who fight you because of religion and expel you from your homes and aid in your expulsion - [forbids] that you make allies of them. And whoever makes allies of them, then it is those who are the wrongdoers.
??? But it seems that it doesn't matter, you are a biased anti-theist and you will stay a biased anti-theist even if the evidence was provided to you time after time after time. But I will keep repeating it; and expect you to keep going in ignoring the existence of it.
Quote:Quote:the verse is speaking about "hypocrites" and "two faces", or in other words what secular people call "traitors"; and these are non-believers.
No, secular people don't call people of other religions "traitors" and you are OK with them being killed, that is not very tolerate toward people of other religion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_treas...ed_Kingdom
Quote:Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason
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Stop insulting the minds of the readers, secular countries like the united states and the U.K recognize the charge of hypocrisy (grand treason) as the highest of crimes, 80 years ago only you would've got executed even for such charge.
Quote:Quote:As for cutting the hand of the thieve; yes; we Muslims believe in the cutting of the hand -without prison-
Well there you go, you don't get to complain how these "other" Muslims are "butchering their own people" when you are for butchering yourself.
You ignored the whole post I made about the cutting of the hand VS prison. No; American pilots butcher us; and the puppet dictators supported by the West.
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RE: What is your problem with Islam? Think about it
May 30, 2018 at 4:11 am
(May 30, 2018 at 3:18 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: Stop insulting the minds of the readers, secular countries like the united states and the U.K recognize the charge of hypocrisy (grand treason) as the highest of crimes, 80 years ago only you would've got executed even for such charge.
Treason is not worshiping other gods than Allah, that is not something to go to prison or being executed, that Sura simply mentions people that choose other god than Allah.
(May 30, 2018 at 3:18 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: You ignored the whole post I made about the cutting of the hand VS prison.
I didn't ignore it I just don't see how prison or community service or paying a fine is worse than cutting a hand.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: What is your problem with Islam? Think about it
May 30, 2018 at 4:28 am
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(May 30, 2018 at 4:11 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: (May 30, 2018 at 3:18 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: Stop insulting the minds of the readers, secular countries like the united states and the U.K recognize the charge of hypocrisy (grand treason) as the highest of crimes, 80 years ago only you would've got executed even for such charge.
Treason is not worshiping other gods than Allah, that is not something to go to prison or being executed, that Sura simply mentions people that choose other god than Allah. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munafiqun
Quote:In Islam, the munafiqun ('hypocrites', Arabic: منافقون, singular منافق munāfiq) were a group decried in the Quran as outward Muslims who were secretly unsympathetic to the cause of Muslims and actively sought to undermine the Muslim community. The hypocrisy itself is called nifāq (نفاق).
The verse is speaking about a destructive behavior also known as hypocrisy, to be traitor from the inside but claim to be an ally from the outside.
AKA treason.
Quote:(1 hour ago)AtlasS33 Wrote: Wrote:You ignored the whole post I made about the cutting of the hand VS prison.
I didn't ignore it I just don't see how prison or community service or paying a fine is worse than cutting a hand.
It doesn't stop at paying the fine.
It extends to years and years in a concrete box.
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RE: What is your problem with Islam? Think about it
May 30, 2018 at 7:03 am
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(May 30, 2018 at 4:28 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: (May 30, 2018 at 4:11 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Treason is not worshiping other gods than Allah, that is not something to go to prison or being executed, that Sura simply mentions people that choose other god than Allah. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munafiqun
Quote:In Islam, the munafiqun ('hypocrites', Arabic: منافقون, singular منافق munāfiq) were a group decried in the Quran as outward Muslims who were secretly unsympathetic to the cause of Muslims and actively sought to undermine the Muslim community. The hypocrisy itself is called nifāq (نفاق).
The verse is speaking about a destructive behavior also known as hypocrisy, to be traitor from the inside but claim to be an ally from the outside.
AKA treason.
Again, the article describes them as:
"Hypocrisy towards God regarding actual faith."
Imagine hypocrisy toward god or
Hypocrisy towards the tenets of faith: for example, somebody may believe in God, Judgment Day, accounting, scales of deeds and Hellfire, but not fear them at all or not refrain from committing sins because of them. Yet he claims, "I fear God."
If somebody is different religion or is pretending to be your religion but is not, in normal world this is not treason and not something to be killed for.
(May 30, 2018 at 4:28 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: It doesn't stop at paying the fine.
It extends to years and years in a concrete box.
Calm down man, really. Take Winona Ryder who was caught shoplifting in 2001 and she did some community service, payed some fines, went to some counseling and now has a normal, productive, life - something that she would not have if it was up to Koran.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: What is your problem with Islam? Think about it
May 30, 2018 at 9:14 am
MysticKnight Wrote:Mister Agenda Wrote:If you can't see how it can apply, you have no defense against falling for it.
Usually ad hoc makes an explanation he himself doesn't believe in to argue a point in a fantasy what if conversation just for the sake of argument.
Whether the person believes the ad hoc explanation has nothing to do with whether it's an ad hoc explanation.
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RE: What is your problem with Islam? Think about it
May 30, 2018 at 9:15 am
(May 30, 2018 at 9:14 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: MysticKnight Wrote:Usually ad hoc makes an explanation he himself doesn't believe in to argue a point in a fantasy what if conversation just for the sake of argument.
Whether the person believes the ad hoc explanation has nothing to do with whether it's an ad hoc explanation.
Can you explain the fallacy, usually it's when both don't believe in the premise, but one is arguing by it for sake of argument.
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