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Poll: Are theists in it for the truth, or for the swag?
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The truth.
3.33%
1 3.33%
The swag.
53.33%
16 53.33%
It's complicated.
16.67%
5 16.67%
Other
6.67%
2 6.67%
Fuck. Yet another poll.
20.00%
6 20.00%
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Truth or swag?
#61
RE: Truth or swag?
(May 31, 2018 at 1:36 am)Godscreated Wrote:
(May 30, 2018 at 4:24 pm)emjay Wrote: The thing that would best put the swag question to rest with me is any theist answering the following hypothetical question:

Hypothetically, God decides that heaven will be no more. Instead, in the future, all believers will go to hell... but not as a punishment but rather as an extended... eternal... form of martyrdom. In this hypothetical, God accepts/judges his followers as worthy (ie in the old system they would have gone to heaven) but it is nonetheless his Will that they should endure hell forever in service to his will. And 'forever' is written in stone... God promises that there will be no reprieve, ever, no matter how much they may ask for it. If they accept the deal then, their only comforts are that they are deemed worthy by God and are doing his will. In life I'm sure there are many examples of this sort of mindset in play... of enduring adversity for the sake of doing God's will... not least with actual martyrs... but this hypothetical takes the question to the extreme; who, if anyone, loves God so much, and respects his will so much, that they would willingly suffer permanent suffering in service to that will? Who would do so, obediently and unquestioningly, accepting that God's will is God's will and man has no right to judge it, regardless of how fair or unfair it may seem?

 By now you should know I dislike hypothetical questions and that is the way I will answer this. Christians do sacrifice will here on earth, we also suffer the same as all other people. What we do not suffer nor do we sacrifice is the love of God and in that love we know that God can't and want change His mind about our eternal destination. God is unchanging and He always keeps His promises. Christians come to accept Christ because He has promised we would not suffer after this life, our eternal life would be completely perfect. You have asked a rediculous question that can't be answered by any Christian who seriously trusts in Jesus as their savior.

GC

Disliking hypotheticals is disliking thought.

No wonder you're a theist.
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#62
RE: Truth or swag?
(June 1, 2018 at 7:52 am)Edwardo Piet Wrote:
(May 31, 2018 at 1:36 am)Godscreated Wrote:  By now you should know I dislike hypothetical questions and that is the way I will answer this. Christians do sacrifice will here on earth, we also suffer the same as all other people. What we do not suffer nor do we sacrifice is the love of God and in that love we know that God can't and want change His mind about our eternal destination. God is unchanging and He always keeps His promises. Christians come to accept Christ because He has promised we would not suffer after this life, our eternal life would be completely perfect. You have asked a rediculous question that can't be answered by any Christian who seriously trusts in Jesus as their savior.

GC

Disliking hypotheticals is disliking thought.

No wonder you're a theist.

 That's the most rediculous thing I've ever hears on this site. Hypotheticals around here are nonsense at best ans a waste of the brain.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#63
RE: Truth or swag?
(June 2, 2018 at 12:29 am)Godscreated Wrote:
(June 1, 2018 at 7:52 am)Edwardo Piet Wrote: Disliking hypotheticals is disliking thought.

No wonder you're a theist.

 That's the most rediculous thing I've ever hears on this site. Hypotheticals around here are nonsense at best ans a waste of the brain.

GC

You didn't say you dislike the nonsensical hypotheticals around here you said you dislike hypotheticals. It's not ridiculous to say that being unwilling to think hypothetically is being unwilling to think about things. Being able to think hypothetically is something unique to our species. Why handicap yourself? Without hypothetical thinking there isn't even any counterfactual thinking which is essential to decision making.
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#64
RE: Truth or swag?
(June 2, 2018 at 9:27 am)Edwardo Piet Wrote:
(June 2, 2018 at 12:29 am)Godscreated Wrote:  That's the most rediculous thing I've ever hears on this site. Hypotheticals around here are nonsense at best ans a waste of the brain.

GC

You didn't say you dislike the nonsensical hypotheticals around here you said you dislike hypotheticals. It's not ridiculous to say that being unwilling to think hypothetically is being unwilling to think about things. Being able to think hypothetically is something unique to our species. Why handicap yourself? Without hypothetical thinking there isn't even any counterfactual thinking which is essential to decision making.

Worthy decision making depends upon facts not something that probably will never be which is what a hypothetical is, especially on this forum. Dealing with reality is what sane people do.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#65
RE: Truth or swag?
Had to vote for "it's complicated". Apparently there is a feedback loop between what you perceive as true and the swag that can be yours if you're right. Of course most poor saps who hold to rigid religious beliefs pay no attention to that. I doubt if their swag is great.
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