The Lie Known as "Salvation"

[chimp3]

"Believing" in God is only for the completely useless! Glad your being useful! However, full usefulness requires a trust in a Father so you can have huge balls! My Father is BIG! So are my balls!

Everybody has huge steel balls after a punch bowl of Margaritas!

[Haipule]

"Believing" in God is only for the completely useless! Glad your being useful! However, full usefulness requires a trust in a Father so you can have huge balls! My Father is BIG! So are my balls!

Everybody has huge steel balls after a punch bowl of Margaritas!

And every chick is hot! That's funny to me because Jesus said that the kingdom of God/heaven(right here, right now potential) is like a, "Pearl of great price(value)!" The Greek word correctly translated as "pearls", in Matthew 13:45, is: margaritas! I love those pearls! Look at my avatar and notice the HUGE one my wife was drinking!

[chimp3]

Everybody has huge steel balls after a punch bowl of Margaritas!

And every chick is hot! That's funny to me because Jesus said that the kingdom of God/heaven(right here, right now potential) is like a, "Pearl of great price(value)!" The Greek word correctly translated as "pearls", in Matthew 13:45, is: margaritas! I love those pearls! Look at my avatar and notice the HUGE one my wife was drinking!

I work with this woman who did something monumental and positive but whistle blowing! . During a department head meeting she complained about her right inner knee aching. One sympathetic soul asked "Do you have arthritis?" She said : " No, It's because of these big, steel balls banging against my knee"!

[robvalue]

Oh man, I have no way of gauging who's winning in this thread.

[Haipule]

And every chick is hot! That's funny to me because Jesus said that the kingdom of God/heaven(right here, right now potential) is like a, "Pearl of great price(value)!" The Greek word correctly translated as "pearls", in Matthew 13:45, is: margaritas! I love those pearls! Look at my avatar and notice the HUGE one my wife was drinking!

I work with this woman who did something monumental and positive but whistle blowing! . During a department head meeting she complained about her right inner knee aching. One sympathetic soul asked "Do you have arthritis?" She said : " No, It's because of these big, steel balls banging against my knee"!

I HATE working for the "greater than thou" corporate world! I currently work for an independent. Talk about stupid! But, at least, it is not as stupid! Fuck me blind!

Shit dude! How can anyone bypass the art of doing things the right way! Just so that it works according to stupid--they got numbers?

Yet, stupid is as stupid does! And that, according to an established standard of corporate stupidity known as "share holder value" established by a corporate matrix learned in school, that everyone MUST adhere to for the sake of "share holder value" independent of the employees that make their business work!?!?!

I know that I'm preaching to the choir! Yet there exists a realm that actually functions! It is called "Thee Righteousness of God"! Doing the right thing in the right way, to benefit all! The Maker just said, "It's my way, or the highway(lowest)!"--love others: or be useless!

Do I even have to 'splain the difference? Freakin' duh!

[chimp3]

I work with this woman who did something monumental and positive but whistle blowing! . During a department head meeting she complained about her right inner knee aching. One sympathetic soul asked "Do you have arthritis?" She said : " No, It's because of these big, steel balls banging against my knee"!

I HATE working for the "greater than thou" corporate world! I currently work for an independent. Talk about stupid! But, at least, it is not as stupid! Fuck me blind!

Shit dude! How can anyone bypass the art of doing things the right way! Just so that it works according to stupid--they got numbers?

Yet, stupid is as stupid does! And that, according to an established standard of corporate stupidity known as "share holder value" established by a corporate matrix learned in school, that everyone MUST adhere to for the sake of "share holder value" independent of the employees that make their business work!?!?!

I know that I'm preaching to the choir! Yet there exists a realm that actually functions! It is called "Thee Righteousness of God"! Doing the right thing in the right way, to benefit all! The Maker just said, "It's my way, or the highway(lowest)!"--love others: or be useless!

Do I even have to 'splain the difference? Freakin' duh!

Duh!

[RDK1]

If you need the idea of a god to feel happy, I'm sorry that's the case, but go for it.  I don't think that your interpretation fits with the actual texts, but since it's all fictional, what does it matter?  Your god sounds like one of those creepy MLM front-men...follow these simple steps and soon you'll have the vacation homes and private jets.  Appeal to greed and the desire to get good stuff without earning it: it's an effective con, sure.   

Doesn't incline me to believe, trust, or sell the vitamins.

All of the language transliteration is not needed. The simple premise of salvation is freedom from guilt and an offering of forgiveness. This is a simple gesture to humanity of God's love to us. The rest is just calories.

[The Grand Nudger]

I always wonder what it is a person;s done when they start talking like that.

[vorlon13]

If you need the idea of a god to feel happy, I'm sorry that's the case, but go for it.  I don't think that your interpretation fits with the actual texts, but since it's all fictional, what does it matter?  Your god sounds like one of those creepy MLM front-men...follow these simple steps and soon you'll have the vacation homes and private jets.  Appeal to greed and the desire to get good stuff without earning it: it's an effective con, sure.   

Doesn't incline me to believe, trust, or sell the vitamins.

All of the language transliteration is not needed.  The simple premise of salvation is freedom from guilt and an offering of forgiveness. This is a simple gesture to humanity of God's love to us.  The rest is just calories.

Calories or schisms ??

[Haipule]

If you need the idea of a god to feel happy, I'm sorry that's the case, but go for it.  I don't think that your interpretation fits with the actual texts, but since it's all fictional, what does it matter?  Your god sounds like one of those creepy MLM front-men...follow these simple steps and soon you'll have the vacation homes and private jets.  Appeal to greed and the desire to get good stuff without earning it: it's an effective con, sure.   

Doesn't incline me to believe, trust, or sell the vitamins.

All of the language transliteration is not needed.  The simple premise of salvation is freedom from guilt and an offering of forgiveness. This is a simple gesture to humanity of God's love to us.  The rest is just calories.

If it is not needed, which I agree with, then why did you use the word "salvation"? It is a transliteration of the Latin which has absativally nothing to do with the biblical Greek word sOtEria.

Yes, there is no room biblically for fear, worry, shame, guilt. Then why did you put them on a guilt trip by saying "offering of forgiveness?"


What on EARTH do they need "forgiveness" of? Sin? There is no word in Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek that can possibly be translated as "sin", without a theologic English polluted sense, in any sense of academic honesty with Scripture!


The problem was the parabasis(motion against a fixed point, or standard: erroneously translated as "sin") of Adam which has absativally nothing to do with them or their doing!

Case in point:

tE gar chariti este sesOsmenoi dia pisteOs, Ephesians 2:8a, erroneously translated as "For by grace we have been saved".


tE = dative definite article = to-thee. Notice the translators eliminated this word and instead gave us "by". If you read insanely stupid books about translating the bible, they call that, "the dative of means" which is a manipulative tool to magically change a dative into a genitive. I call it the dative of "abracadabra". How to magically turn a dative phrase(which is locative and has no motion: motion, such as "means", can only be established by the preposition dia governing the genitive as in "through"--we'll see this later).

Then we have gar which establishes a reason and is post positive to English.

Then we have chariti, which is the dative of charis usually translated as "grace" but means beauty and refers to best qualities implying favor.

Then we have the 2nd person indicative active plural of eimi(to-be) = you-are-all.

Then we have the third person, nominative masculine(everyone) plural, perfect, passive participle(verbal adjective) of the verb sOzO unusually erroneously translated as "saved" but means to be delived from any nonsense anyone might be facing, = ones-having-been-being-delivered.

Then we have the preposition governing the genitive; dia(establishing means), followed by the genitive singular feminine noun pisteOs. From pistis, usually translated as "faith" but refers to that which you trust and is not blind! 

So there you have it: for to-thee joyous-favor you-are-all ones-having-been-been-being-delivered through(means) of-faith(your inventory of ideas built through the study of God's Word).

Paul was teaching life, right here, right now, and NOT "salvation" or guilt trips!