"Thou shalt have no other gods before Me"

[Godscreated]

Angels have powers God has given them Lucifer was the most powerful of angels but his powers are now restricted because of who he became.

If Mr God can restrict Lucifer's powers, then why not completely remove them if he's still causing mischief?

There is an appointed time for that, if you live long enough you will see it, but in your present condition what you would see would be terrifying, enough so that you would try and hide.

Sounds like Lucifer is useful to Mr God and it's all part of his plan. In which case, why punish him at all? Why not just say to one of his angel, hey Lucy, I need someone to be evil and to tempt the humans so I can punish some of them for eternity?

 Everyone is useful to God, no one is beyond His reach. You are quite the foolish one aren't you, one day you will find the truth and I hope it want be to late for you.

GC

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No it was not, Lucifer chose to disobey God and the result was his damnation.

GC

Then there is no such thing as "God's Plan".

Yes there is, His plan of salvation, to redeem unto himself all those who desire to be redeemed. Did God know before hand that Lucifer would rebel of coarse , did He have the plan of salvation already to go of coarse. All because of His fore knowledge not a plan.

GC

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  God was speaking about all the man made idols, those of wood and stone, like wise money and fame. Anything that's put first in one's life over God is an idol.

GC

That's a very telling point GC!

The way I see it, God needed to stress this subtle but important difference so much that he made a commandment out of it.
Because it would be so easy to confuse those fake gods in the form of statues and other idolatry with the real McCoy because to the untrained eye, they ALL act and interact with the world as IF they are all false and indistinguishable from each other!
That's the point we're trying to make. Thank you.

 You've made no point because you haven't one to make, you are expressing what you want to believe and not the truth. You also need to remember God is the unseen God unlike all those other woodies and bronzies.

GC

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Did you know that there's at least 26 other named Gods listed in addition to Yahweh in the Bible?

[I_am_not_mafia]

You are quite the foolish one aren't you, one day you will find the truth and I hope it want be to late for you.

Oh was that a Freudian slip? I bet it was. We all know that people like you actually do want to think of people like me suffering from Hell and getting what you think we deserve.

[Godscreated]

You are quite the foolish one aren't you, one day you will find the truth and I hope it want be to late for you.

Oh was that a Freudian slip? I bet it was. We all know that people like you actually do want to think of people like me suffering from Hell and getting what you think we deserve.

Now you are showing foolishness, do you think God would allow those who chose eternal punishment to rob the happiness from those who chose to be with Him for eternity, do you really think He would allow those to steal His worship, foolishness is all over you.

GC

[Drich]

no.

Satan per the book of Job and other encounters between himself and God, satan is a servant. Albeit one in rebellion he yields to God never the less.

So he's performing Mr God's will?

yes

Satan plays a role in the will of God, even through his rebellion.

Just like the people here who hate God play a role. their's is to become the obstacles that test and try the faith full they become the storms of life that help proof and sharpen the faith of those who believe.

Or did you think an omnipotent God was powerless to control a lessor being a slave a servant? God simply let Him Go and let Satan do Satan within a set of boundaries again as per Job and the temptations of Christ.

As it is Satan is the ruler of this world. this world this realm is the closest thing to a satan run hell as he is allowed to make. which means all the non God morals, right and wrong that does not come from/contradicts God's righteousness comes from satan in opposition to God. in an attempt to switch the 'roles satan and God have. (or so says the book of Revelation concerning the last days.) You can't tell me that is not how things are shaping up now.

[vorlon13]

1 Thessalonians 2 (KJV)
17 But we, brethren, being taken from you for a short time in presence, not in heart, endeavoured the more abundantly to see your face with great desire.
18 Wherefore we would have come unto you, even I Paul, once and again; but Satan hindered us.


Even Apostle Paul couldn't muster faith of a single mustard seed on this occasion. Who's stronger, God or Satan ??

[Drich]

no.

Satan per the book of Job and other encounters between himself and God, satan is a servant. Albeit one in rebellion he yields to God never the less.

Job is just more mythology borrowed from the Ancient Sumerians. 

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Ludlul-bel-nemeqi

Ludlul bel nemeqi, Akkadian: “Let Me Praise the Lord of Wisdom”, in ancient Mesopotamian religious literature, a philosophical composition concerned with a man who, seemingly forsaken by the gods, speculates on the changeability of men and fate. The composition, also called the “Poem of the Righteous Sufferer” or the “Babylonian Job,” has been likened to the biblical Book of Job.

Dating back to at least 1,700 BC it far predates any of your jewish shit.

Actually sport you do know abraham was most likely sumerian right? Who's to say before the jews were the chosen sumeria had that title, but lost it through unfaithfulness? The only reason the Jews never lost that title was because God promised to Abraham to work with His descendants no matter what, because he was such a righteous man. which means all the crap that came before abraham like idk the Flood Job creation, would all have a similar origin.

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1 Thessalonians 2 (KJV)
17 But we, brethren, being taken from you for a short time in presence, not in heart, endeavoured the more abundantly to see your face with great desire.
18 Wherefore we would have come unto you, even I Paul, once and again; but Satan hindered us.


Even Apostle Paul couldn't muster faith of a single mustard seed on this occasion.  Who's stronger, God or Satan ??

Paul makes it clear in Romans the dynamic there. In that "we" are not God. We are slaves to sin, and the father of sin. God provides a way to be forgiven for serving sin, if we simply turn from our sin and hate it.

Paul here doesn't require faith of any kind as He is able to see both sides at work. All Paul need do is weigh can he should he push through or yield. You can tell when God wants you to push through and when God wants you to yield.

Got to also remember here Paul is not God, and it is not God who wants Paul to spend more time here, it is Paul. This would be an instance where God simply allows satan to be satan and because Paul wants to stay satan no doubt wanted pau to Go, so he forced his hand and Paul left.

[Fake Messiah]

Theists, If it's from God, then logically it tells me that God knew there are other gods around competing for your worship.
And that he urges you profusely to worship him in particular (or else you'll burn! mofo. Geez, you're a great salesman God! Go Yahwey!)

Actually that seems to be the case because God from the Bible calls himself "god of gods" who is worshiped by the other gods, like

For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords. Deuteronomy 10:17
Worship him, all ye gods. Psalm 97:7
O give thanks unto the God of gods. Psalm 136:2

Because in the Bible there is practiccaly described battle of the gods and Yahweh claims to be stronger than other gods:

Who is like unto thee, O LORD, among the gods? Exodus 15:11
Now I know that the LORD is greater than all gods. Exodus 18:11
What God is there in heaven or in earth, that can do according to thy works? Deuteronomy 3:24
Our Lord is above all gods. Psalm 135:5

God of the Bible even claims that other gods will be defeated and killed by him

The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens. Jeremiah 10:11
And against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment. Exodus 12:12
Upon their gods also the LORD executed judgments. Numbers 33:4
The LORD of Heaven's Armies, the God of Israel, says: "I will punish Amon, the god of Thebes, and all the other gods of Egypt. I will punish its rulers and Pharaoh, too, and all who trust in him. Jeremiah 46:25
The Lord will be terrible to them: for he will famish all the gods of the earth. Zephaniah 2:11
The Lord ... is to be feared above all gods. 1 Chronicles 16:25
For the Lord ... is to be feared above all gods. Psalm 96:4

And so on and on......

Also "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me" was not something that patriarchs from the Bible were adherent to, like Solomon had many non-Hebrew wives and he built many religious shrines for them so they could worship their own non-Hebrew deities. Or Jeroboam, first king of Israel after the break from Judah, not only set up golden calves at cult sites, but established rival temples to the one in Jerusalem.

And it goes deeper because the Hebrews depicted in the Bible never embraced a pure monotheism, nor was there a single universal religion. Many important biblical characters in post-Exodus times, for instance, had names ending in "Baal," who was a major Canaanite deity. Gideon, one of the most famous of the early Judges, also was known as Jerub-baal, and Saul, first King of Israel, had a son named Esh-baal and this son succeeded him on the throne. But then as times passed it became ridiculous for Jews and Christians to actually believe that some other gods could be real as well, so it became an embarrassment to the final redactors of the early Bible books and they either added fictional glosses to the text to explain the apparent inconsistency or they changed the Baal name to "Bosheth," a Hebrew word meaning shame.

[Mister Agenda]

Satan is technically an angel, not a god.

In a religion that wasn't trying to convince everyone that it's monotheistic, angels would be lesser gods.

[Fake Messiah]

Satan is technically an angel, not a god.

In a religion that wasn't trying to convince everyone that it's monotheistic, angels would be lesser gods.

Or Christianity and Judaism are not monotheism at all but henotheism. True monotheism happened for a brief time in the mid-fourteenth century B.C.E. in Egypt under a pharaoh Akhenaten.