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RE: Why do the Abrahamic religions hate the female body so much?
June 15, 2018 at 5:08 pm
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Firstly, their lie exposes your own..and..secondly, your magic book isn;t exactly known for it;s enlightened stance on females. The quran tells you nothing about the origin of men and women..your believing that it does merely tells us about -you-.
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RE: Why do the Abrahamic religions hate the female body so much?
June 15, 2018 at 5:23 pm
(June 15, 2018 at 4:19 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: In the Quran (Islam's source book), there are direct, explicit verses that men and women (are from each other):
Quote:Sura 4, The Quran:
Sahih International
(32) And do not wish for that by which Allah has made some of you exceed others. For men is a share of what they have earned, and for women is a share of what they have earned. And ask Allah of his bounty. Indeed Allah is ever, of all things, Knowing.
Furthermore:
Quote:Sura 49, The Quran:
Sahih International
(13) O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted.
Then cutting any doubt that men and women as God had said in the Quran are actually created from the same organism:
Quote:Sura 7,The Quran:
Sahih International
(189) It is He who created you from one soul and created from it its mate that he might dwell in security with her. And when he covers her, she carries a light burden and continues therein. And when it becomes heavy, they both invoke Allah, their Lord, "If You should give us a good [child], we will surely be among the grateful."
Your OP should exclude the Quran from the criticism. The verses tell me that men and women are created from the same organism (sura 7 verse 189).
Kind of hard to exclude muslims from this, given that they're infamous for covering their women up from head to toe. If they didn't get that from the quran, they must have gotten it from somewhere while trying to be good worshipers of allah.
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RE: Why do the Abrahamic religions hate the female body so much?
June 15, 2018 at 7:30 pm
(June 15, 2018 at 4:19 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: In the Quran (Islam's source book), there are direct, explicit verses that men and women (are from each other):
Quote:Sura 4, The Quran:
Sahih International
(32) And do not wish for that by which Allah has made some of you exceed others. For men is a share of what they have earned, and for women is a share of what they have earned. And ask Allah of his bounty. Indeed Allah is ever, of all things, Knowing.
Furthermore:
Quote:Sura 49, The Quran:
Sahih International
(13) O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted.
Then cutting any doubt that men and women as God had said in the Quran are actually created from the same organism:
Quote:Sura 7,The Quran:
Sahih International
(189) It is He who created you from one soul and created from it its mate that he might dwell in security with her. And when he covers her, she carries a light burden and continues therein. And when it becomes heavy, they both invoke Allah, their Lord, "If You should give us a good [child], we will surely be among the grateful."
Your OP should exclude the Quran from the criticism. The verses tell me that men and women are created from the same organism (sura 7 verse 189).
Then something happened to make women have to cover their bodies (24:31). According to the Quran two woman's testimony in court dis equal to that of one man's testimony (2:282 - the explination here being that women are so fuddle headed it takes two so one can remind the other if she forgets).
The Quran shares this withthe Bible that it is possible to cherry pick, to innumerate favorable circumstance in support of whatever one needs to cover indefensible teachings and practices.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
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RE: Why do the Abrahamic religions hate the female body so much?
June 15, 2018 at 8:25 pm
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I;d take half of one woman;s testimony over Atlass, lol.
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RE: Why do the Abrahamic religions hate the female body so much?
June 15, 2018 at 8:29 pm
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(June 15, 2018 at 5:08 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Firstly, their lie exposes your own..and..secondly, your magic book isn;t exactly known for it;s enlightened stance on females. The quran tells you nothing about the origin of men and women..your believing that it does merely tells us about -you-.
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It tells that the origin is created by God, one soul that divided then into two. I just quoted the verse; but I'll quote it again:
Quote:Sura 7,The Quran:
Sahih International
(189) It is He who created you from one soul and created from it its mate that he might dwell in security with her. And when he covers her, she carries a light burden and continues therein. And when it becomes heavy, they both invoke Allah, their Lord, "If You should give us a good [child], we will surely be among the grateful."
(June 15, 2018 at 5:23 pm)Chad32 Wrote: (June 15, 2018 at 4:19 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: In the Quran (Islam's source book), there are direct, explicit verses that men and women (are from each other):
Furthermore:
Then cutting any doubt that men and women as God had said in the Quran are actually created from the same organism:
Your OP should exclude the Quran from the criticism. The verses tell me that men and women are created from the same organism (sura 7 verse 189).
Kind of hard to exclude muslims from this, given that they're infamous for covering their women up from head to toe. If they didn't get that from the quran, they must have gotten it from somewhere while trying to be good worshipers of allah.
It's more accurate to say that the Middle Eastern people had bent Islam to fit their habits and culture. I would say they got overwhelmed by the widespread of Islam so they entered the veil in the revelation. I wouldn't say Allah is the reason for that bent.
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(June 15, 2018 at 4:19 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: In the Quran (Islam's source book), there are direct, explicit verses that men and women (are from each other):
Furthermore:
Then cutting any doubt that men and women as God had said in the Quran are actually created from the same organism:
Your OP should exclude the Quran from the criticism. The verses tell me that men and women are created from the same organism (sura 7 verse 189).
Then something happened to make women have to cover their bodies (24:31). According to the Quran two woman's testimony in court dis equal to that of one man's testimony (2:282 - the explination here being that women are so fuddle headed it takes two so one can remind the other if she forgets).
The Quran shares this withthe Bible that it is possible to cherry pick, to innumerate favorable circumstance in support of whatever one needs to cover indefensible teachings and practices.
This happened:
Quote:https://quran.com/24/23?translations=
Sura 24, The Quran:
Sahih International
(23) Indeed, those who [falsely] accuse chaste, unaware and believing women are cursed in this world and the Hereafter; and they will have a great punishment
So Hijab was a protective measure as it is shown in this verse:
Quote:https://quran.com/33/59?translations=
Sura 33, The Quran:
Sahih International
(59) O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.
I don't see sexism in the Hijab. I see protection against perverts.
And for the female double testimony, that is in contracts and economical stuff only, women weren't educated in the past, so it's very normal for a female human to be weak in mathematics in the past. So it's wise actually to require two women to do the job in the past.
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RE: Why do the Abrahamic religions hate the female body so much?
June 15, 2018 at 9:19 pm
Well religion is a tool, more than anything else, so I can guarantee you someone in power at some point bent it to suit his needs.
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RE: Why do the Abrahamic religions hate the female body so much?
June 15, 2018 at 9:26 pm
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(June 15, 2018 at 8:29 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: I don't see sexism in the Hijab. I see protection against perverts.
Is it protection or is it a form of patriarchal control?
It seems to me the men who think their women need to be protected behind cloth are enforcing a form of control due to the fact that they cannot control their own manly sexual needs; thus, they subject the woman to the discomfort of covering up.
It's basic psychology 101.
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RE: Why do the Abrahamic religions hate the female body so much?
June 15, 2018 at 9:50 pm
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Kit, all that means is the laws are lax for men. It's part and parcel of Islamic theology.
If they gave mandatory 10 years imprisonment for rape under a "true" court system, then it'll stop pretty quickly.
My issue is that women will still "want" to dress like that out of respect for their misogynistic God.
Buy why would "men" want to inconvenience themselves like that...
The misogynism runs deep into the fabric of the culture.
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RE: Why do the Abrahamic religions hate the female body so much?
June 16, 2018 at 1:36 am
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Quote:It tells that the origin is created by God, one soul that divided then into two. I just quoted the verse; but I'll quote it again:
Dont be silly.
Magic book was wrong, learn to accept that and move on from there.
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RE: Why do the Abrahamic religions hate the female body so much?
June 17, 2018 at 10:16 am
(June 15, 2018 at 9:19 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Well religion is a tool, more than anything else, so I can guarantee you someone in power at some point bent it to suit his needs.
Humans have tendency to do that with almost anything. Religion is not unique
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