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RE: Can God love?
June 21, 2018 at 11:13 am
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Yeah, that must be it...no one could possibly have a problem with killing a jew to cover all the times he shook it four times instead of three. 
One of the reasons things work out between my wife, my wifes family..and myself..is that they can at least accept the legitimacy of other peoples concerns over some issues of their faith..and in fact find those issues concerning themselves. You know..like any decent person would. This doesn;t diminish their faith, it simply expresses integrity in faith - something sorely lacking on these boards.
They have no need to dismiss others by asserting some batshit mythology over their objections in the clear presence of those objections.
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RE: Can God love?
June 21, 2018 at 12:11 pm
(June 21, 2018 at 11:08 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: (June 21, 2018 at 10:37 am)Drich Wrote: the only reason your don't go to heaven is because you do not want to go...
That's pretty much the bottom line. For some, not all, some, they just don't want God to exist because that would mean there is a moral authority higher than themselves to which they would be accountable.
Or it's the same as you refusing to reach Nirvana because you think it's made up stupid shit that has no basis in reality.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Can God love?
June 21, 2018 at 1:38 pm
(June 21, 2018 at 11:08 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: (June 21, 2018 at 10:37 am)Drich Wrote: the only reason your don't go to heaven is because you do not want to go...
That's pretty much the bottom line. For some, not all, some, they just don't want God to exist because that would mean there is a moral authority higher than themselves to which they would be accountable.
(June 21, 2018 at 10:37 am)Drich Wrote: Agape allows you to eat anything the restraunt has to offer, but you want what it does not. a heaven with out God. Gapae entitles you to have all that God offers bt nothing more. which is why most of you elect to not enter heaven
That's a great way to put it. They want a heaven without God. I would add that they want a heaven without God so they can claim to be god.
This is utterly ridiculous, since it makes the fatal assumption that atheists actually do believe in your god, but act like they don't due to some personal hangup.
My objections to your god - specifically the way in which it's portrayed in your holy tome, and all of the very obvious issues that it presents that Christians simply gloss over (with, for example, pained analogies) - is in addition to a more fundamental issue, namely I cannot believe in something that has zero proof of existing.
So, this isn't a matter of "I don't like god, but acknowledge he exists," but rather "Your god doesn't exist, it's a pretty obvious fiction, and here are some other issues I have with the character." From my POV, it's no different than talking about Nurse Ratched.
Moreover, while I expect the usual parade of mental midgets on here to trot out the tired "You just want to sin" BS, I honestly expected better from you. Did you not learn one damn thing during the drama that led to the creation of the "What do Christians think to gain by being here?" thread(s)? If you want to actually spread your message of your god, then you'd be much better served by attempting to have an actual dialogue. Which, among other things, means accepting that our myriad claims of not believing your god exists, not believing that sin is something that exists, and not believing that an afterlife exists are truthful.
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RE: Can God love?
June 21, 2018 at 1:44 pm
Haha. I don't even want "heaven". It sounds awful. I'd rather just do my innings and rest in peace.
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RE: Can God love?
June 21, 2018 at 2:09 pm
(June 21, 2018 at 1:38 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: (June 21, 2018 at 11:08 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: That's pretty much the bottom line. For some, not all, some, they just don't want God to exist because that would mean there is a moral authority higher than themselves to which they would be accountable.
That's a great way to put it. They want a heaven without God. I would add that they want a heaven without God so they can claim to be god.
This is utterly ridiculous, since it makes the fatal assumption that atheists actually do believe in your god, but act like they don't due to some personal hangup.
My objections to your god - specifically the way in which it's portrayed in your holy tome, and all of the very obvious issues that it presents that Christians simply gloss over (with, for example, pained analogies) - is in addition to a more fundamental issue, namely I cannot believe in something that has zero proof of existing.
So, this isn't a matter of "I don't like god, but acknowledge he exists," but rather "Your god doesn't exist, it's a pretty obvious fiction, and here are some other issues I have with the character." From my POV, it's no different than talking about Nurse Ratched.
Moreover, while I expect the usual parade of mental midgets on here to trot out the tired "You just want to sin" BS, I honestly expected better from you. Did you not learn one damn thing during the drama that led to the creation of the "What do Christians think to gain by being here?" thread(s)? If you want to actually spread your message of your god, then you'd be much better served by attempting to have an actual dialogue. Which, among other things, means accepting that our myriad claims of not believing your god exists, not believing that sin is something that exists, and not believing that an afterlife exists are truthful.
Yeah, I just see that from Neo as BS times two. Not much different from MK claiming all atheists are secretly believers who have turned their back on god. I guess in either case it brings them comfort to think and say that... but at the cost of looking like complete twats.
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RE: Can God love?
June 21, 2018 at 2:25 pm
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RE: Can God love?
June 21, 2018 at 2:57 pm
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(June 21, 2018 at 2:25 pm)Drich Wrote: The problem is that you have a stance that is perfectly in line with western culture never mind how it compares to hitler or ISIS.
So in order for me to be unlike ISIS I have to be against western culture?!!! This is beyond retarded.
btw here's a little meme
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teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Can God love?
June 21, 2018 at 2:59 pm
- and yet you can never count on it being peak drich. Give him a moment, no matter how silly the last thing he said was..he'll top that shit, lol.
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RE: Can God love?
June 21, 2018 at 3:16 pm
Agua-pé now there is something.
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RE: Can God love?
June 21, 2018 at 3:19 pm
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(June 21, 2018 at 2:59 pm)Khemikal Wrote: - and yet you can never count on it being peak drich. Give him a moment, no matter how silly the last thing he said was..he'll top that shit, lol.
You should know that good água-pé comes in late september and is good. For those with obstipation. Its a thing. And quite real, I can testify.
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