Federal Judge rules "No fundamental right to literacy"

[henryp]

My sister teaches 1st grade (and taught one year of 5th grade) at a really bad school.   I'm relaying her experience.   


I'm curious what it is in the post you are skeptical of.  It's anecdotal, for sure.  But do you not think a scenario like this exists?

I'm just asking you to cite your sources. I do educational advocacy in my area. I know my way around IDEA and NCLB . And because of the direction of this thread and its importance and since you are stating claims as fact, I don't think I'm being unreasonable in asking you to provide legitimate statistics.

What statistics are you asking for?  Again, I don't know what specifically you're taking umbrage with.  Can you be more specific?

[RoadRunner79]

Because of the ongoing series of attacks by your republicunt overlords on the public education system.  You'd know about this if you didn't have your head so far up trump's ass, RR.

And you think that is leading to illiteracy here in this article?   Wow - OK.

[Anomalocaris]

I'm not quite sure what the problem is here. The Michigan state constitution provides for a free public education. The city of Detroit operates, with a shit ton of federal oversight, a free public primary and secondary school system that is available to every child in the city regardless of gender, race, sexual orientation and even citizenship. The state is providing, as required by law the opportunity for every child to become literate. Is the government somehow supposed to guarantee that every child learns to read? If so, how the fuck are we supposed to do that?

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I doubt funding for the Detroit city school system is the biggest problem here. According to this article in the Detroit News, the Detroit public school system is budgeted for $732,000,000 for the 2018-19 school year for an estimated 50,875 students. That's $14,388 per student for the year. That's not a bad budget considering Detroit is broke. It’s a lot better than a lot of other school systems that do more with less.

Did you hear about the guy who was illiterate and was a teacher for 17 years?  https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-43700153

The lazy, good for nothing god apparently fobbed off the job of
Answering his prayers to him.

[Angrboda]

Because of the ongoing series of attacks by your republicunt overlords on the public education system.  You'd know about this if you didn't have your head so far up trump's ass, RR.

I doubt funding for the Detroit city school system is the biggest problem here. According to this article in the Detroit News, the Detroit public school system is budgeted for $732,000,000 for the 2018-19 school year for an estimated 50,875 students. That's $14,388 per student for the year. That's not a bad budget considering Detroit is broke. It’s a lot better than a lot of other school systems that do more with less.

The Detroit Public Schools have been under the direct authority of the State of Michigan for 11 of the past 15 years, and remain so today. During this period, the State’s disinvestment and deliberate indifference has contributed to a precipitous decline in the school system that has left the approximately 100,000 children of Detroit, overwhelmingly low-income students of color, without the ability to meet their basic educational needs. Although aware of the State’s failure to educate children, the State has taken no effective steps to remedy the massive educational deprivation.

Gary B. v. Snyder

[Joods]

The goal is great.  But practically, you go to a really poor school, where the kids are getting beaten, or the parent just views the school as a daycare, or nobody has taught the kid anything heading into kindergarten, including how to sit still for 5 minutes or listen (or all of these things).  In those situations, where the teacher isn't just teaching them a read, they are trying to raise them like a parent while at the same time teaching 19 other kids to read.  It's just not in the cards no matter how many laws you pass.

I don't know where you live, but if you're working with parents, that means the parents are interested, which already puts them head and shoulders above some lousier schools.  And if the school is dealing with a few special needs kids, or a couple disruptive kids, it's no small task, but they can and should accommodate them.

But again, some of these schools, 8 kids out of 20 are in no position to succeed.  And they're dragging down the other 12 kids on top of it.  100% literacy is the goal, but there's only so much a teacher can do.

I'm just asking you to cite your sources. I do educational advocacy in my area. I know my way around IDEA and NCLB . And because of the direction of this thread and its importance and since you are stating claims as fact, I don't think I'm being unreasonable in asking you to provide legitimate statistics.

What statistics are you asking for?  Again, I don't know what specifically you're taking umbrage with.  Can you be more specific?

Every single thing I bolded in your post above. I don't understand why you are having an issue with providing credible sources. Really - if you make a claim, you should know that by now people here are going to ask for sources on it.

[Anomalocaris]

Hardly.  Whether something indisputably highly desirable from an individual or societal perspective is recognized to be a right or not is largely determined by whether enshrining it as a right is seen as excessively constraining to those who would now or later find it expedient to deny those things outright to others, or refuse to make provision in their own actions or allocation of resources to accommodate other’s pursuit of those things.

Now you're just pulling shit from your ass.

Really? Then why exactly would something indisputably of high desirability to the individual and society not be granted the status of a right?

[henryp]

My source for things that would require sources is the 1st hand account from a teacher. I already told you that. Although, you should be able reason your way to most of the conclusions.

There are abusive and neglectful parents. Those people send their kids to school. So there are abused and neglected kids in schools. Abuse and neglect is linked to low incomes (sourced below). Poor performing schools are in low income neighborhoods. So the rates of abused/neglected kids is higher in poor schools.

If a kid shows up at kindergarten hitting and biting, the teacher on top of having to teach them to read, has to teach them the basics of how to behave, which is parenting.

I guess:

https://www.bctr.cornell.edu/income-ineq...d-neglect/

Would contain statistical evidence that shows that kids in terrible neighborhoods have a higher likelihood of neglect/abuse. But is this something you didn't know?

[Angrboda]

Now you're just pulling shit from your ass.

Really?  Then why exactly would something indisputably of high desirability to the individual and society not be granted the status of a right?

I don't need to have my own theory of rights in order to piss on yours.

[Anomalocaris]

Small bladder seems to suffice.

[Neo-Scholastic]

Detriot and Chicago are two of the most racist cities in America against blacks.  Their intent is to drive all of the blacks out of those cities.

Chicago hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1927.