Mass Shooting In Toronto (updated )

[Neo-Scholastic]

As i said i don't think we should make this into a gun debate thread

Isn't every mass shooting thread turned into one? I'm not big into that debate myself, mostly for the reasons I said. It's always propaganda (on both sides) and never an honest debate. I just felt the need to reply to the chart, which was particularly dishonest.

Right. As if violence by knifes and broken beer bottles don't count as violence...only "gun violence" matters.

[CapnAwesome]

Isn't every mass shooting thread turned into one? I'm not big into that debate myself, mostly for the reasons I said. It's always propaganda (on both sides) and never an honest debate. I just felt the need to reply to the chart, which was particularly dishonest.

Right. As if violence by knifes and broken beer bottles don't count as violence...only "gun violence" matters.

I also question the value of that stat, and would love to debate someone in the debate section about whether or not it has any value or tells you anything meaningful. The chart Min posted was worse than that though, because the top chart just said 'homocides' and only sideways in small letters does it say 'gun homocides'

That is just outright trying to manipulate people and pretend that one statistic actually is another one. That's just propaganda.

I'm an agnostic when it comes to gun control, because it would seem logical that less guns=a safer society. But gun control advocate s aren't even trying to make that case.

To make it you'd have to show that gun control reduced the homocide rate en large. Which using a stat like gun violence just doesn't do and people don't even attempt it, instead just finding the most blatent propghanda and going with that.

[Minimalist]

I'm sorry you have problem with smaller print, Cap'n.  Try stronger glasses.

[Neo-Scholastic]

I'm an agnostic when it comes to gun control, because it would seem logical that less guns=a safer society. But gun control advocate s aren't even trying to make that case...To make it you'd have to show that gun control reduced the homocide rate en large. Which using a stat like gun violence just doesn't do and people don't even attempt it, instead just finding the most blatent propghanda and going with that.

It does seem intuitive that less guns would reduce homicides, if only because guns are more effective than other weapons. Intuitions are often wrong. You would also have to consider crimes that were thwarted by the use of a gun. Regardless of whether gun laws are or are not effective, the further question is how much personal liberty Americans are willing to trade for government promises to keep us safe and secure.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Good bye, Toronto.

[Angrboda]

So much for those strict Canadian gun control laws...

Generalizing on the basis of a small sample is pretty piss poor reasoning, even for you, Neo.

[Minimalist]

the further question is how much personal liberty Americans are willing to trade for government promises to keep us safe and secure.

Yeah - the old good guy with a gun bullshit mantra.  They are doing a pretty shitty job but I'd be willing to try banning guns and seeing what happens.

[Amarok]

It does seem intuitive that less guns would reduce homicides, if only because guns are more effective than other weapons. 

An intuition that's reasonable 

Intuitions are often wrong.

The irony 

 You would also have to consider crimes that were thwarted by the use of a gun.

Name me one mass killing that was stopped by a gun this year and then prove how many of those crimes required a gun to stop 

 Regardless of whether gun laws are or are not effective, the further question is how much personal liberty Americans are willing to trade for government promises to keep us safe and secure.

No the question is how much safety and security are Americans willing to give up so some paranoid gun nuts can keep there dick enhancements

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Right. As if violence by knifes and broken beer bottles don't count as violence...only "gun violence" matters.

Straw man  good it's impossible to have an honest discussion with you without you deploying bullshit arguments

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Update 

The victims have been identified

-Reese Fallon a nurse ,Age known  

-And a 10 year old girl ,Name unknown 

The 13 injured ranged from  17 -59 


The Perp has been identified

29 year old  Faisal Hussain he was apparently suffer from extreme  mental duress

[bennyboy]

Canada doesn't have strict gun control anyway. I don't know where that myth got started. It's got more liberal gun laws and more guns than all of Europe except maybe Switzerland and Norway.  They have the same guns per capital as the US.

The hell you say. This seems highly unlikely, but I'm intrigued. Facts link?

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So much for those strict Canadian gun control laws...

I'll bet my bottom dollar that the gun used in the shooting was purchased underground and originated in. . . what country do you think I'm gonna say?  If you're thinking Finland, you're way off!

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I'm an agnostic when it comes to gun control, because it would seem logical that less guns=a safer society. But gun control advocate s aren't even trying to make that case...To make it you'd have to show that gun control reduced the homocide rate en large. Which using a stat like gun violence just doesn't do and people don't even attempt it, instead just finding the most blatent propghanda and going with that.

It does seem intuitive that less guns would reduce homicides, if only because guns are more effective than other weapons. Intuitions are often wrong. You would also have to consider crimes that were thwarted by the use of a gun. Regardless of whether gun laws are or are not effective, the further question is how much personal liberty Americans are willing to trade for government promises to keep us safe and secure.

This is a dumb-fuck argument, akin to "I don't wear seatbelts because I want to be thrown CLEAR."  For every death that's been thwarted by an easily-obtained gun, there are probably hundreds of accidental child shooting deaths every year.

Does being a dumb fuck not bother you?  I mean. . . guns are designed to put holes in people's bodies, and you think more guns are likely to reduce deaths?  It worries me that a large % of the US population is stupid enough to believe that.  I mean. . . is there something in the water?  I don't think anyone, anywhere, outside the US thinks the stupid shit that is constantly coming out of your mouth.  Like. . . really.

I can't wait until China is the strongest country in the world.  They might be evil.  They might make my kids learn Chinese and dress funny.

But at least they won't be dumb fucks.

[CapnAwesome]

Canada doesn't have strict gun control anyway. I don't know where that myth got started. It's got more liberal gun laws and more guns than all of Europe except maybe Switzerland and Norway.  They have the same guns per capital as the US.

The hell you say. This seems highly unlikely, but I'm intrigued. Facts link?

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Do I heard this from Bowling from Columbine. Which Michael Moore does make that claim in that movie, so I'm not off my rocker in remembering it. However he was incorrect, which I shouldn't be surprised as he's an inexcusably terrible fact checker.

https://globalnews.ca/news/1354803/fact-...an-the-us/

Still a lot of guns in Canada.