Hello and question about hell

[LastPoet]

The smell of sock puppet is strong on this one.

Indeed.

[Mister Agenda]

Hugs,

Nobody is saying this guy didn't experience something. But the experience itself proves nothing about the existence of an afterlife.

It's proof enough to him.

Truth is a personal fact that cannot always be demonstrated.

Plenty of people that experience NDE have no question that their experience was real.

How many people do you know that claim their dreams are real?

Having a real experience doesn't mean that what you're having an experience of is real, especially under conditions where your brain is highly stressed. Would you find the assertions of someone who saw a leprechaun on LSD as credible as someone who claimed to see one while there were, apparently at least, in their right mind? Or would you think the first leprechaun claim might be due to the LSD?

[brewer]

The smell of sock puppet is strong on this one.

Indeed.

[Huggy Bear]

It's proof enough to him.

Truth is a personal fact that cannot always be demonstrated.

Plenty of people that experience NDE have no question that their experience was real.

How many people do you know that claim their dreams are real?

That’s just it, though.

Many theists claim to have had “personal experiences” and want the rest of us to accept that as proof.

Personal experiences are only truly “proof” to those who “experienced” them.

Once while working A&E I had a patient brought in who was adamant he was being chased by a small man with big teeth and red skin.

That was proof to him.  The fact that he was higher than a kite at the time didn’t matter.  Should I have believed him just because he was so certain and wanted me to believe?

Every single example people have submitted had to do with drugs, this isn't even remotely the same thing.

There are cases of NDE where the brain wasn't functional; A non-functional brain does not hallucinate.

People usually don't maintain that a drug induced hallucination was a real experience, the exception being N,N-Dimethyltryptamine (a natural substance found in plants, animals, and the human body) in which people feel their experience was real, in fact DMT tends to have a similar life changing effect as NDE's

[Crossless2.0]

I don't get it when Christians tout NDEs as evidence of an afterlife. Don't you guys believe in the resurrection of the dead come Judgement Day? A disembodied consciousness that somehow survives brain death seems to be at odds with that. Is the glorified, resurrected body just an add-on? A nice but unnecessary touch?

[brewer]

Every single example people have submitted had to do with drugs, this isn't even remotely the same thing.

There are cases of NDE where the brain wasn't functional; A non-functional brain does not hallucinate.

People usually don't maintain that a drug induced hallucination was a real experience, the exception being N,N-Dimethyltryptamine (a natural substance found in plants, animals, and the human body) in which people feel their experience was real, in fact DMT tends to have a similar life changing effect as NDE's

Can you define "functional"? Is that registering in EEG? Do you have personal experience with this?

[Huggy Bear]

[The Grand Nudger]

[robvalue]

Welcome

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Remember that all we have to go on is the person describing their experience after the fact. They are probably the worst placed to accurately say when these "experiences" happened, and if they relate to anything real. The memory is notoriously unreliable, and I think it's the failure to acknowledge this that lets woo run rampant.

[Huggy Bear]