Christians: Can you see why atheists don't buy this stuff?

[Amarok]

And already explained that this idea is bullocks .We most certainly can judge ideologies from their worst examples because it calls  into question it's tenets for allowing or not preventing such abuse . If your ideology can be hijacked by monsters or idiots it's on your ideology .

[RoadRunner79]

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[vorlon13]

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Yeah. That would be weird.  

Thanks for your reply. Really, I think it's pretty dangerous to take any book as absolutely true and beyond questioning. I mean, I could produce documentation of Christian cults for whom abuse of their members was justified by Biblical passages, but I don't think those instances apply to mainstream Christians. But take any book... say Plato's Republic... a favorite of mine. If you read the book and try to unearth the nugget of moral truth within, it will serve as a great benefit. But to literally follow it as if it were unquestionable truth would be horrible.

I know that Methodists don't push the idea of inerrancy. One of the main reasons for their doing that is that they feel the different books of the Bible are better understood in context. And that's true of any piece of writing. To understand it in context is to better understand it--period.

The problem I have is that I've known fully grown adults who have repeated the claim that everything in the Bible is true, but hadn't really considered or given much thought to the fact that the Bible was written and compiled by people throughout history. There are people who literally think that God wrote it himself. It wouldn't be such a problem for me if so many people who "believe every word" of scripture weren't so malinformed.

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I do believe in Biblical inerrancy, however; I am not without error.   Which is where I think that some go wrong. Your video makes me think of the quote from Augustine that “you should never judge a philosophy by it’s abuse”. As well as the academic principle of charity. That is that you should contend with the best possible version of an argument, and not judge an idea by some crazy or extreme adherent.

(emphasis mine)

Asserting the Bible is inerrant is heresy:

2 Chronicles 18  (KJV)
22 Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil against thee.

Jeremiah 8  (KJV)
8 How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.

Ezekiel 14 (KJV)
9 And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.

The Bible itself contains errors, deliberately dictated by the Lord God Almighty.

[RoadRunner79]

I do believe in Biblical inerrancy, however; I am not without error.   Which is where I think that some go wrong. Your video makes me think of the quote from Augustine that “you should never judge a philosophy by it’s abuse”. As well as the academic principle of charity. That is that you should contend with the best possible version of an argument, and not judge an idea by some crazy or extreme adherent.

(emphasis mine)

Asserting the Bible is inerrant is heresy:

2 Chronicles 18  (KJV)
22 Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil against thee.

Jeremiah 8  (KJV)
8 How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.

Ezekiel 14  (KJV)
9 And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.

The Bible itself contains errors, deliberately dictated by the Lord God Almighty.

Do you think that perhaps these in context where speaking about specific things? I don't think that these are saying what you think they are saying. Perhaps you should read for understanding rather than prooftexting.

[vorlon13]

RR:

you should be grateful you no longer have to contort and pretzelize your brain trying to make sense of all your Bible twaddle

Ezekiel 20 (KJV)
25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;

Your argument isn't with me, it's with The Lord God Almighty. Either you or God is a heretic.

[Jehanne]

RR,

Yours is a dying breed:

Gallup -- Record Few Americans Believe Bible Is Literal Word of God

[vorlon13]

Actually, that poll aligns with Scripture. God lies, they are in the Bible, and folks are catching on.

Biblical inerrancy is a VILE heresy.

[Cyberman]

Either you or God is a heretic.

A god, or venerated object of similar distinction, cannot be a heretic by definition, since whatever it is said to do or say automatically becomes canonical doctrine.

I'm just making things easier for the local cuculidae.

[vorlon13]

Isaiah 45 (KJV)
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.


A surprising admission to some folks here, undoubtedly.

[RoadRunner79]

RR,

Yours is a dying breed:

Gallup -- Record Few Americans Believe Bible Is Literal Word of God

I would probably answer that the Bible is the inspired word of God, but could see where I could answer literal word as well.   Probably depends on what I feel is their intentions in the question.   And it doesn't surprise me, if this is in decline in the US.   Cultural Christians are falling off and it's becoming less popular in that way.

There are a number of reports that the faithful Christians are growing stronger.  New Harvard Research Says U.S. Christianity Is Not Shrinking, But Growing Stronger Not that my choice is based on popularity.