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Why are Christians so full of hate?
#51
RE: Why are Christians so full of hate?
(October 8, 2018 at 8:03 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Trust or confidence is the very definition of faith. 

Not in the slightest.

You have confidence in something because of experience. So for example, I am confident that if I jump out the window then I will fall to the ground. Experience of dropping things from the window onto the heads of those below has led to this confidence.

You need faith when there is no reason to have confidence.
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#52
RE: Why are Christians so full of hate?
Quote:Trust or confidence is the very definition of faith. 
No there freaking not
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

Inuit Proverb

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#53
RE: Why are Christians so full of hate?
There's a fundamental, categorical difference between a person trusting and having confidence in the existence of a god that they've never actually physically seen, heard, or had a concrete interaction beyond the level of an imaginary friend, and trusting and having confidence in the existence of, say, a spouse that they see and hear and touch every day.

Both of these things are confidence. Both of them are trust. Only one of them is faith.
Being an antipistevist is like being an antipastovist, only with epistemic responsibility instead of bruschetta.

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#54
RE: Why are Christians so full of hate?
(October 8, 2018 at 8:03 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote:
(October 8, 2018 at 7:27 am)Kit Wrote: Incorrect.  By faith you mean that which has no evidence to prove itself.

By confidence, one is not reliant upon faith.

No... I meant what I said.

Trust or confidence is the very definition of faith.  I think that you have bad sources.... or perhaps just prefer a straw man.

If you mean the first definition, then you’d be correct. Hell confidence is even in most versions of the first definition, but here’s the thing; exactly none of us are falling for the same old crap, Road. We all know there’s a second definition, and you know that’s how faith is typically confined during religious discussion. So cut the shit.

Quote: 2. strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
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(September 17, 2015 at 4:04 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: I make change in the coin tendered. If you want courteous treatment, behave courteously. Preaching at me and calling me immoral is not courteous behavior.
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#55
RE: Why are Christians so full of hate?
(October 8, 2018 at 8:49 am)Bob Kelso Wrote:
(October 8, 2018 at 8:03 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: No... I meant what I said.

Trust or confidence is the very definition of faith.  I think that you have bad sources.... or perhaps just prefer a straw man.

If you mean the first definition, then you’d be correct. Hell confidence is even in most versions of the first definition, but here’s the thing; exactly none of us are falling for the same old crap, Road. We all know there’s a second definition, and you know that’s how faith is typically confined during religious discussion. So cut the shit.

Quote: 2. strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
It's a trend i'm seeing among theists to lower everything to their religious standards so they can pretend they are on an equal footing with science or real actual means of understanding the world .
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

Inuit Proverb

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#56
RE: Why are Christians so full of hate?
(October 8, 2018 at 8:49 am)Bob Kelso Wrote:
(October 8, 2018 at 8:03 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: No... I meant what I said.

Trust or confidence is the very definition of faith.  I think that you have bad sources.... or perhaps just prefer a straw man.

If you mean the first definition, then you’d be correct. Hell confidence is even in most versions of the first definition, but here’s the thing; exactly none of us are falling for the same old crap, Road. We all know there’s a second definition, and you know that’s how faith is typically confined during religious discussion. So cut the shit.

Quote: 2. strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.

Yes, that is what I mean.... I don't subscribe to or agree to a blind faith.  And I don't fall for the "I just lack belief" crap, and think that most are being some combination of dishonest/delusional, when they say that Christians offer no evidence for God. 

However, I think that many atheists would prefer to argue a straw man.
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man.  - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire.  - Martin Luther
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#57
RE: Why are Christians so full of hate?
(October 7, 2018 at 11:04 am)MysticKnight Wrote: The simple answer is humans always have to hold on to the reminder and it's designated household who are the true authorities they ought to center their attention to, and when that doesn't happen,  idolatry is the reason, mainly in form of humans claiming leadership and representing the religion with no proof from God and claiming to represent the Prophets.

The worst among us are the leaders who people put on a pedestal of purity and they accept those praises, who attribute purity while it's only God who can attribute purity to souls and exalt them and manifest their high status, and that is one of the primary purposes of the Torah and Quran, and Gospels center around but one person who had this position, not to make it unique to him, but manifest all previous pathways to God and the ones to come.

The reason people turn away from Jesus or morning star from a chosen household, it comes down to envy towards either the person who has been chosen or their followers, or is a mix of both.

Cain killed Abel because God accepted from Abel and not Cain, because God looks at the heart and sees who truly fears him and is humble to him.

The sacred trust of brotherhood of humanity and the sacred bond of brotherhood of believers, is something not to take lightly, but Satanic forces always diminish that and make the path rigid rules and outward rules and dogmas to be more important then loving others and loving God.

Love remains the only way to solve this issue, but how to truly love humans, but for the face of God in them,, and how to recognize that, but through the Guides and leaders and scriptures from God.

God is the true manifest King of the world, and nationalism and all divisions between humans don't make sense.

Without guidance from God and left to hypocrites and idol worshippers, things like homosexuality cannot be solved but will get worse the more we condemn it.

The compassion and strength needed to overcome homosexuality by those who condemn it and the example they ought to put forth, is largely missing in this age, and rather all the vile hate one can have for a human is taken out on the issue of homosexuality.

This will have the opposite effect.
Trust me mate, there is nothing about your or anyone else theology here that I remotely envy.
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#58
RE: Why are Christians so full of hate?
(October 8, 2018 at 8:26 am)Mathilda Wrote:
(October 8, 2018 at 8:03 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Trust or confidence is the very definition of faith. 

Not in the slightest.

You have confidence in something because of experience. So for example, I am confident that if I jump out the window then I will fall to the ground. Experience of dropping things from the window onto the heads of those below has led to this confidence.

You need faith when there is no reason to have confidence.

You obviously don't understand the word,  I suggest that you look it up.
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man.  - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire.  - Martin Luther
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#59
RE: Why are Christians so full of hate?
(October 8, 2018 at 9:18 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Yes, that is what I mean.... I don't subscribe to or agree to a blind faith.  And I don't fall for the "I just lack belief" crap, and think that most are being some combination of dishonest/delusional, when they say that Christians offer no evidence for God. 

However, I think that many atheists would prefer to argue a straw man.

Do you think it’s dishonest or delusional to find “Christian evidence” for God completely unconvincing? There certainly isn’t a lack of apologists putting forth their “evidence”, there does, however, seem to be a lack of the convincing kind.
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(September 17, 2015 at 4:04 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: I make change in the coin tendered. If you want courteous treatment, behave courteously. Preaching at me and calling me immoral is not courteous behavior.
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#60
RE: Why are Christians so full of hate?
(October 8, 2018 at 9:20 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: You obviously don't understand the word,  I suggest that you look it up.

Which dictionary?
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