Melania Trump says Sexual Assault victims shouldn't report unless they have evidence

[LadyForCamus]

RR, you don’t have to be out there screaming, “rape is awesome”, in order to perpetuate rape culture.  Just like there are plenty of people with erroneous views about African Americans who don’t think of themselves as racist, but who are inadvertently perpetuating racial stereotypes that harm black people.  Pushing the false narrative: “if she was REALLY assaulted she would have told some one right away”, contributes to the silence of future victims, and harms their credibility in the eyes of society.  It also sends potential perpetrators the message: “no one is going to believe her anyway.”  Yeah, these things collaboratively perpetuate rape culture.

I would agree, that people make too big of a deal out of the time (the same as you see here, all the time). However it is still a relevant factor.

But I also think that people make too big of a deal out of calling this a “rape culture” as well.

The time is not a relevant factor.  That’s my point.  And there is no such thing as “making too big a deal” out of rape culture.  Either the culture is actively working toward reducing the number of sexual assaults and the stigma of sexual assault, or it’s not.  Under the current administration, it’s not.

[GrandizerII]

We can see your posts clearly.

You don't think rape culture is much of a thing. That's what contributes to it, whether you realize it or not.

Sure.

No prob. As a society, most of us have made that mistake. It's not you alone.

[vulcanlogician]

RR, nobody is asking you to swallow a pill whole. I don't think anybody is saying: "accept that there is a rape culture and all the accompanying beliefs." There are societal norms in place that permit rape and make it easier for sexual assault to occur. I think you accept that basic premise. From there, all that is required is reflection. ie If that is true, what are the possible ramifications for victims living within that cultural situation.

[RoadRunner79]

RR, nobody is asking you to swallow a pill whole. I don't think anybody is saying: "accept that there is a rape culture and all the accompanying beliefs." There are societal norms in place that permit rape and make it easier for sexual assault to occur. I think you accept that basic premise. From there, all that is required is reflection. ie If that is true, what are the possible ramifications for victims living within that cultural situation.

No, I don’t think that society permits or condones rape. Or makes it easier to be raped, other than possibly current attitudes towards casual sex is perhaps aiding it.

[vulcanlogician]

Yes, society does permit and condone rape at times. It's sad but true. The other thing you aren't considering is that rape is extremely traumatic and affects a victim's sense of self worth in a way that is hard to communicate with non-survivors.

To me, there is a line between casual consensual sex and nonconsensual sexual contact. A huge, stark, and clear line. Therefore "current attitudes" concerning consensual sex have NOTHING to do with rape or non-consensual sex. If you are getting the two mixed up in your head, you need to step back from the conversation and sort that out before adding anything else.

[Cecelia]

No, I don’t think that society permits or condones rape. Or makes it easier to be raped, other than perhaps current attitudes towards casual sex is perhaps aiding it.

Parts of society definitely condones rape.  "Boys will be boys!" is a common phrase heard by those on your side.  The Catholic Church gladly turns a blind eye to child molestation.  And it's not called out on it by the 'good christians'.  The idea that 'attitudes toward casual sex is aiding rape' is in fact part of rape culture.  It's this idea that women have no right to their own bodies, and that sex is a man's 'right'.

[RoadRunner79]

No, I don’t think that society permits or condones rape. Or makes it easier to be raped, other than perhaps current attitudes towards casual sex is perhaps aiding it.

Parts of society definitely condones rape.  "Boys will be boys!" is a common phrase heard by those on your side.  The Catholic Church gladly turns a blind eye to child molestation.  And it's not called out on it by the 'good christians'.  The idea that 'attitudes toward casual sex is aiding rape' is in fact part of rape culture.  It's this idea that women have no right to their own bodies, and that sex is a man's 'right'.

I don’t think that society does condone it. Hence why it is hidden and covered up from society. Also I wasn’t saying that women have no rights to their bodies, or that sex is a man’s right, or that boys will be boys. I don’t think when someone is raped anyone says. “Boys will be boys”. I think that casual sex aids in that it raises certain expectations, perhaps things are taken farther then they should, and then trying to stop it. It’s the attitudes towards sex, that increase rape and assault. When you are trying to walk a fine line, it will sometimes be crossed.

Also, I notice that you only focus on women here. Are you promoting a rape culture towards men?

[Jehanne]

And, so, you're saying that her claim is one of a mistaken identity?

I don’t know... didn’t get the details on how she knew them.  The republican lawyer didn’t seem to ask any tough questions. But if she didn’t know them (as her friend who was suppose to be there didn’t) I think that these types of studies would apply.

Indeed; the same such studies apply to "bereavement visions", seeing dead people, alien abductees, etc. (and, might I add, religious experiences, also.)  Of course, the Kavanaugh hearings fell under federal administrative congressional law and procedures, and so, you need to stop applying state or federal criminal law standards and levels of evidence here.

[Deesse23]

8 Pages for such a fairly simple (imho) issue? Jesus. f. Christ.

No, no victim ever needs to present evidence for a crime. Thats the job of the fucking prosecutor (police, district attorney). Every country has a whole branch of government, called "the executive" to investigate, collect evidence and prosecute. All an (alleged) victim needs to do is report a crime.
When i think i got robbed, i report to the fucking cops, and i dont need to put fucking evidence on the table (but maybe the bruises i brought with me. But again, the cops will make the pictues of my mauled face etc, no myself). Its their job. Its also their job to put me in jail after they have collected evidence that i was reporting a crime that didnt happen, knowingly.

So, yes, Melaina is full of it.

[onlinebiker]

Listening to Melania Trump for bits of wisdom is a bit like fishing for trout in a toilet.

And while a toilet isn' t good looking - it didn't marry for money either.