Trump has blood on his hands

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Atlass isn't "the left", lol.  He's an islamist apologist who has a compulsion to make everything the fault of The Great Satan, scrotus provides and easy opportunity to do so, lol.

[WinterHold]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world...66556.html

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/15/opini...index.html

I shouldn't be wasting my time on you; but just for the benefit of the doubt.
Also; if you need help lifting the rock that is covering the cave you're in, tell me.

Yes -you are wasting your time.

I don't like President Trump or much of his political agenda.

But I' m not going to blame the motherfucker for failed crops, babies dying, or plagues of locusts...

He' s not that omnipotent.

In fact - he seems to simply be a media loving blowhard.

He' s simply not competent enough to pull off a black op.

Even now, you don't blame him?
I guess his daddy had Saudi roots somewhere, but let's not blame him.

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How's it his fault? You know, the left needs to quite blaming every single thing on the comb over Mussolini. Of course he has handled it poorly afterwords, but it's not his fault.

Because he stood with the "bone saw Hamoodi" even though he knew about his crime; duh???

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Atlass isn't "the left", lol.  He's an islamist apologist who has a compulsion to make everything the fault of The Great Satan, scrotus provides and easy opportunity to do so, lol.

I'm not an Islamist; I'm a Muslim who frankly sees many Islamists as supporters for the "bone saw" and his family.

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I understand that you don't consider yourself an islamist,  because you look around at other islamists and say "fuck, these guys are assholes".  However, since you not only believe in/that there is a proper fundamental islam, and that the other islams need to be nixed..but also that islam is the way to run a country......

....you're an islamist, lol.

[WinterHold]

I understand that you don't consider yourself an islamist,  because you look around at other islamists and say "fuck, these guys are assholes".  However, since you not only believe in/that there is a proper fundamental islam, and that the other islams need to be nixed..but also that islam is the way to run a country......

....you're an islamist, lol.

Of course you would say that, but since 2015 or 2016 and I'm repeating that the U.S "fucked up really bad" when it took Saudi Arabia as an ally.
and now it's reaping what it sowed. And the doors of immigration and fleeing this hell was closed with advent of populism; so the U.S pretty much fucked everybody up.

It took them allies for years and years, since the 40s maybe>

All because it has masses of you, who put me, ISIS, Saudi Arabia, Iran and Osama in the same basket.
So discussion with you is kinda useless after this point.

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The islamist basket is large, with lots of room for disparate sectarian ideologies.  You idea of what is being referred to as islamism is ridiculous.  If I wanted to call you a terrorist, I'd call you a terrorist.  Obviously, not all islamists are terrorists, lol.  

On the issue at hand, though...for the US..it's not much more than embarrassing for the current administration.  That's all that we're reaping, regardless of what we may have sown. That's sort of fundamental to why it's a fucked up situation, or at least from this end it is. On this end, the "problem" is that the president is incompetent or conflicted..and because of this, botched his response.

[Minimalist]

And my point was that Carter never ordered an air strike or invasion.

In that he is alone.... and btw, the republicunts hate him for it!

You know, they are all such fine xhristards.

[onlinebiker]

And my point was that Carter never ordered an air strike or invasion.

In that he is alone.... and btw, the republicunts hate him for it!

You know, they are all such fine xhristards.

Yahbutt - in April of 1979 Jimmy was attacked by a rabbit - and 2 months later he authorized the development of the MX missle program...

Coincidence?

Maybe.... But that funny smile make ya wonder...

[WinterHold]

The islamist basket is large, with lots of room for disparate sectarian ideologies.  You idea of what is being referred to as islamism is ridiculous.  If I wanted to call you a terrorist, I'd call you a terrorist.  Obviously, not all islamists are terrorists, lol.  

On the issue at hand, though...for the US..it's not much more than embarrassing for the current administration.  That's all that we're reaping, regardless of what we may have sown.  That's sort of fundamental to why it's a fucked up situation, or at least from this end it is.  On this end, the "problem" is that the president is incompetent or conflicted..and because of this, botched his response.

This "fucked up situation" is the result of years and years of supporting the Sauds, with Trump doing it more obviously and more "honestly".
If the U.S didn't see -and it didn't see- that supporting dictatorships results in this, then the U.S is reaping what it sewed.

The history of the U.S foreign policy -and even domestic policy sometimes- is a series of fuck ups concerning human rights, starting with the use of the atomic bomb for the first time, then supporting animals like the Sauds, passing by invasions like the invasion of Iraq, ending up by supporting mad fucks like MBS.

You are right; it's a fucked up situation. But it was like this for years; been escalating also for years.

[The Grand Nudger]

Are you concerned that the US doesn't do enough to diminish local/regional hegemonic power?  

Should the US enact punitive measures against the state, the effects of which will fall primarily on citizens of both countries but...to be very specific..much more heavily on the other party?  

If the US does enjoy a relationship with the state that could produce cooperation (or effectively coerce) on a specific issue, would it be prudent to cut the ties of that consequential and binding relationship?  

If the US does not enjoy a relationship with the state that could produce cooperation (or effectively coerce) on a specific issue, is regime change on the table?

Is there some alternative to our current partners?

[Angrboda]

Trump Administration Continues To Send Mixed Messages Over Kashoggi Killing (NY Times)

Mr. Mnuchin, speaking during a stop in Jerusalem, said the economic and strategic relationship between the United States and Saudi Arabia was too important to be derailed by an international uproar over the Saudis’ killing of a dissident journalist.