Did Jesus call the Old Testament God the Devil, a Murderer and the Father of Lies?

[Bucky Ball]

actually after 25 years of study I know people who refer to aramaic as a language needed to translate the bible accurately are full of crap. I also know that people who refer to the greek as also being pivotal don't understand the basics of the greek language or they would have proper preface the vernacular they used from the greek. so again youre full of shit. And again if you point to the hebrew as being an original language of the OT means your full of shit again and do not understand what language the bible was constructed.

bla bla bla bla .....

oh but that's right you only pretend to be smart by clicking the first link google pops up with!!! 

hey but at least you spelled everything right, and that is all that really counts! that is the truest form of intelligence, not being able to have a topical conversation! 

#Fakeposter #douchebaggotcaughtpretendingtobesmartwhileusinggoogleinsteadofbrain!

I actually never said ANYTHING you claimed I said in your first paragraph. You are a liar. You characterized what I said to fit what you wanted to say. 
BTW, "Hebrew" is generally capitalized, ignoramus. So is "Greek". Your comment about Greek language is INCOHERENT and meaningless. 
Everyone here just happened to notice YOU replied to and refuted NOT ONE thing that was discussed in the quote you referenced, in which Satan was being discussed. 
My my. Such a troll-rant ... be careful gramps, your blood pressure is probably too high. 
You *really* are threatened by people who actually have an education in the subject. Please. By all means, continue to make a fool of yourself.

[Drich]

Do you read ancient Greek, Aramaic, Hebrew and classical Latin?

A sincere question, by the way; not trying to argue or anything like that.

me no but I have a whole bunch of on line material that help me translate
https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/mat/...onc_930016

mat 1
up top is the passage in koine' greek

the left is the break down word for word in english on the right is the koine work the phonetically spelled word then a tab where you can hear it pronounced. then you can click on the word and it gives you full defination then scroll down it will tell you which definition was used in what passage

I have solid books in the koine, latin and hebrew not aramaic as it is really pointless. As aramaic was a spoken language which was treated like jive or ebonics now it was a slang people used but did not record in as it was looked down upon/lessor class people speak.

I use on line tools when I can as I can leave links as proof.

[Jehanne]

Jesus spoke Aramaic; are you saying that he spoke "jive"?

[Drich]

Drich,

In the United States, there are over 3,100 4-year degree institutions of higher learning, with over several hundred major colleges and universities.  At NONE of those institutions are your religious, Christian fundamentalist views taken seriously, let alone taught.

Dawn

Seriously do you people ever check anything before you speak? 
Nupe!!!
Number of U.S. Colleges and Universities and Degrees Awarded, 2005


Number
Enrollment
Public 4-year institutions
629
6,837,605
Private 4-year institutions
1,845
4,161,815

1845+629=2474 not 'over 3100'

ever hear princeton harvard yale? all top tier Christian schools.

FROM THEIR OWN HOME WEBSITES!!!!!

https://religiouslife.princeton.edu/chap.../christian
https://college.harvard.edu/admissions/h...fe-harvard
http://harvardfaithandaction.squarespace.com/
https://divinity.yale.edu/about-yds/mission-history

Good lord do you people ever get tired of being wrong soo much???

Even if not, you got to be sick of being shown up by someone you try and make out to be a fool...

because surly you understand if I am a fool and I am the one constantly taking you to school then what that make you is worse than a fool.

This should also make you wonder if I am always right about little things like this am I not also right about things like God?

If it were me I would hate to be shown up by me there (in the god argument)

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actually after 25 years of study I know people who refer to aramaic as a language needed to translate the bible accurately are full of crap. I also know that people who refer to the greek as also being pivotal don't understand the basics of the greek language or they would have proper preface the vernacular they used from the greek. so again youre full of shit. And again if you point to the hebrew as being an original language of the OT means your full of shit again and do not understand what language the bible was constructed.

bla bla bla bla .....

oh but that's right you only pretend to be smart by clicking the first link google pops up with!!! 

hey but at least you spelled everything right, and that is all that really counts! that is the truest form of intelligence, not being able to have a topical conversation! 

#Fakeposter #douchebaggotcaughtpretendingtobesmartwhileusinggoogleinsteadofbrain!

I actually never said ANYTHING you claimed I said in your first paragraph. You are a liar. You characterized what I said to fit what you wanted to say. 
BTW, "Hebrew" is generally capitalized, ignoramus. So is "Greek". Your comment about Greek language is INCOHERENT and meaningless. 
Everyone here just happened to notice YOU replied to and refuted NOT ONE thing that was discussed in the quote you referenced, in which Satan was being discussed. 
My my. Such a troll-rant ... be careful gramps, your blood pressure is probably too high. 
You *really* are threatened by people who actually have an education in the subject. Please. By all means, continue to make a fool of yourself.

you got caught and now are trying to back out...

If you did not imply any of what I said then why and bring up all those languages? its because you thought those where the languages of the bible!
and you thought you could out 'rank me academically if you knew more of the bible languages than i did!!! what a moron NONE of the languages you mention have any serious part in the bible manuscripts/codices


busted sport!!

God you must feel stupid

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So imagine yourself a pharisee and me some jesus fellow who just relentlessly keeps showing everyone how stupid you are which would be like your worst fear because if people knew what a fool you were your whole life then becomes meaningless...

That would be enough to kill someone wuldn't it? what if it is not just you but your whole group of well 'educated' brethern???

Jesus was unrelenting and sometime outright mean to those douche bags who opposed God truth being told. To the point that they killed him for it...

kinda puts a nail in hippy jesus' coffin doesn't it?

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Jesus spoke Aramaic; are you saying that he spoke "jive"?

the jive or slang of his day.

The educated spoke and wrote greek it was like the universal base as the greek a few hundred years back conquered the whole world so their influence was their language and writing. Romans spoke latain but the empire was divided by region. there was a push to translate everything to latin and have everyone speak it, but at this time they were mid change, and the near and far east spoke aramaic (primitive language) but still also spoke and recorded in koine' greek. as all other written languages were frowned upon. even the hebrew bible had to be in koine greek. so we do not have any old old hebrew bibles left.

[Minimalist]

The educated spoke and wrote greek

That would fucking leave you out in the cold, dripshit.

[Bucky Ball]

This should also make you wonder if I am always right about little things like this am I not also right about things like God?

Not so much. You can't even write a sentence in English. "Nupe" ????? Do you even read anything you write ?

bla bla bla 

"The New Testament, however, was written in Greek. This seems strange, since you might think it would be either Hebrew or Aramaic. However, Greek was the language of scholarship during the years of the composition of the New Testament from 50 to 100 AD. The fact is that many Jews could not even read Hebrew anymore, and this disturbed the Jewish leaders a lot! So, around 300 BC a translation of the Old Testament from Hebrew into Greek was undertaken, and it was completed around 200 BC. Gradually this Greek translation of the Old Testament, called the Septuagint, was widely accepted and was even used in many synagogues. It also became a wonderful missionary tool for the early Christians, for now the Greeks could read God’s Word in their own tongue"

https://www.biblica.com/resources/bible-...t-written/

"Hebrew is not the only language of the Dead Sea Scrolls. The majority of the Dead Sea Scrolls are in Hebrew, with some fragments written in the ancient paleo-Hebrew alphabet thought to have fallen out of use in the fifth century B.C."

Calm down gramps. I said nothing about languages in response to you. 
You are a Fundy ignoramus, and nothing you write merits any sort of response ... and you STILL have not responded to EVEN ONE thing posted that refutes your garbage about Satan/Lucifer.

[Jehanne]

Here are some stats from Wikipedia:

In 2012, the US peaked at a total of 4,726 Title IV-eligible, degree-granting institutions: 3,026 4-year institutions and 1,700 2-year institutions.[1] By 2014–15, the total had declined to 4,627 institutions.[28]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher_e...ted_States

[Bucky Ball]

Drich is not a Christian. 
There is no Christian community that would approve of his behavior here. 

1 Corinthians 13
1 If I could speak all the languages of earth and of angels, but didn’t love others, I would only be a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I had the gift of prophecy, and if I understood all of God’s secret plans and possessed all knowledge, and if I had such faith that I could move mountains, but didn’t love others, I would be nothing. 3 If I gave everything I have to the poor and even sacrificed my body, I could boast about it; but if I didn’t love others, I would have gained nothing.
4 Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud 5 or rude. It does not demand its own way. It is not irritable, and it keeps no record of being wronged. 6 It does not rejoice about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth wins out. 7 Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance.
8 Prophecy and speaking in unknown languages and special knowledge will become useless. But love will last forever! 9 Now our knowledge is partial and incomplete, and even the gift of prophecy reveals only part of the whole picture! 10 But when the time of perfection comes, these partial things will become useless.
11 When I was a child, I spoke and thought and reasoned as a child. But when I grew up, I put away childish things. 12 Now we see things imperfectly, like puzzling reflections in a mirror, but then we will see everything with perfect clarity. All that I know now is partial and incomplete, but then I will know everything completely, just as God now knows me completely.
13 Three things will last forever—faith, hope, and love—and the greatest of these is love.


Drich loves being and acting like an angry old troll and justifies it by saying his angry Jesus did the same thing. 
There was no Jesus, no hippy Jesus or any other Jesus.

[Drich]

Not so much. You can't even write a sentence in English. "Nupe" ????? Do you even read anything you write ?

"The New Testament, however, was written in Greek. This seems strange, since you might think it would be either Hebrew or Aramaic. However, Greek was the language of scholarship during the years of the composition of the New Testament from 50 to 100 AD. The fact is that many Jews could not even read Hebrew anymore, and this disturbed the Jewish leaders a lot! So, around 300 BC a translation of the Old Testament from Hebrew into Greek was undertaken, and it was completed around 200 BC. Gradually this Greek translation of the Old Testament, called the Septuagint, was widely accepted and was even used in many synagogues. It also became a wonderful missionary tool for the early Christians, for now the Greeks could read God’s Word in their own tongue"

https://www.biblica.com/resources/bible-...t-written/

"Hebrew is not the only language of the Dead Sea Scrolls. The majority of the Dead Sea Scrolls are in Hebrew, with some fragments written in the ancient paleo-Hebrew alphabet thought to have fallen out of use in the fifth century B.C."

Calm down gramps. I said nothing about languages in response to you. 
You are a Fundy ignoramus, and nothing you write merits any sort of response ... and you STILL have not responded to EVEN ONE thing posted that refutes your garbage about Satan/Lucifer.

Ah, no.. The NT was written in the Koine' Greek not greek there is a huge difference between the two like portuguese and spanish two very different languages same origin. to compare greek and koine greek is to not even taken a days worth of instruction in neither language.

The dead sea scrolls only have a hand full of books only one I believe is complete. either way what was written in hebrew only serve to verify the septuagint

Satan again was established in the book of Job which to the jews was known as a holy book of wisdom and or godly knowledge. Not something seen as law but insight into God's word and mind. Not something to be discarded or taken lightly.

Aside from those fatal errors I see you mirrored what I had already established in my last post. nice of you to finally catch up.

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Here are some stats from Wikipedia:

In 2012, the US peaked at a total of 4,726 Title IV-eligible, degree-granting institutions: 3,026 4-year institutions and 1,700 2-year institutions.[1] By 2014–15, the total had declined to 4,627 institutions.[28]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher_e...ted_States

I see you wiki page and go all in with National education statistics web site that make both wrong and put 4 years schools at 3011 for the school year of 2018
https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=84

i also noticed you didn't address the part where top of the top these schools sanction the teaching of Christianity..

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I think it highly likely that Jesus was illiterate and never read any of the OT scriptures.

He moonlighted as a scholar, when he wasn't doing carpentry work.

Jesus wasn't a carpenter, he was a janitor.  John 11:35: 'Jesus swept.'

Boru