Gay "cure" therapist outed

[Rev. Rye]

I know.  It's pretty much a given that if you oppose homosexuality, you're pretty much gay.

. . . or an asshole.

Often both.

Well, if you claim to be formerly gay, like the lion's share of people who claim to cure homosexuality, experience tells me that it's pretty much guaranteed that you haven't cured shit and it's only a matter of time before you slip up.

John Smid would later admit that, in his own words, "I’ve never met a man who experienced a change from homosexual to heterosexual."

Remember, this is a man who headed Love in Action, one of the most infamous gay conversion organisations for about a quarter of a century. And he never saw ANYONE who actually changed.

[Mystic]

It can be cured, but it's not some easy solution.  Resolve, reliance on God and determination to change, while relying on a spiritual transformation from a spirit from God or the holy spirit and help from it, this is what majority of the people who "claim" to have stopped homosexuality or at least triggered bisexuality after being homosexual and resolve themselves to forbid the same sex desire.

Of course, like any state, like any bad state, some people can come back to it.  So some of those people who claim success, perhaps they deceived themselves, perhaps they tricked themselves they transformed when they didn't.

But I would listen at least to get both sides - to people who claim to left homosexuality even if it's only 1/3 of them who truly have transformed, it might be true and there maybe a cure in what they say.

It's the same with people coming to Islam, a great portion then go back to their former faith or become Atheist after or something else, a lot of converts to Islam leave after.

I personally think any state of possible is possible for every human, whether it's corrupt or blessed, honorable or disgraceful,  nothing is outside the realm of what free-will can forge the state of a human to be in.

I'll be also damned if I don't prove that schizophrenia is 100% curable.

First off, there's nothing there that needs to be 'cured' (unless the homosexual in question has a head cold or something).  There's nothing that needs to be 'changed' or 'stopped' or 'forbidden'.  Homosexuality is in as much need of a cure as brown eyes or left-handedness.

Secondly, people that go through this so-called 'conversion therapy' don't come out as heterosexuals.  They come out as unhappy homosexuals who have been convinced that its a good idea for them to live a lie.

Lastly, fuck you and your superstition-based bigotry. 

Boru

If I was Atheist, I Would believe the same as you. But with knowledge of dark magic and demonic forces,  and I know what they have done to me and witnessed their psychological powers in that regard, I think differently regarding this.

A lot of our states - it can feel we have no choice and no will, because it's the opposite of what we want, but our sin was believing and succumbing to something by whispers of dark forces in the heart and confirmation of their lies by majority of society and their "great" "intellectuals and leaders".

The problem is the falsehood has no proof so the people of it resort of bullying the others "how dare you insult our gods" "you bigoted idiots trying to purify everyone", "we don't forbid you anyone why do you forbid us" etc, etc.

Time will tell when desires are unleashed - what will remain of humans and the degree of oppression that will ensue!

[Silver]

If I was Atheist.....

It is not about being atheist. Stop being a fucking coward and hiding behind your theism as though it is of the highest moral value.

....But with knowledge of dark magic and demonic forces,  and I know what they have done to me and witnessed their psychological powers in that regard, I think differently regarding this.

What you are experiencing is delusion. Not just one delusion, but a double whammy where one delusion supports another because of your inability to distinguish reality from religious fantasy.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

If I was Atheist, I Would believe the same as you.

 
So, as an atheist, you would believe in basic human decency and the rights of all people to be well treated?  Good!

But with knowledge of dark magic and demonic forces,  and I know what they have done to me and witnessed their psychological powers in that regard,

Grow up, junior. There are no 'dark and demonic forces', there is only your own mental instability (which I truly hope you can get effective help).

I think differently regarding this.

You don't think, you simply believe. 

 I opt not to respond to the rest of your insane gobbledygook.  You make me sick.

Boru

[Mystic]

I witness their dark magic on Quran and I know of their plans. I will stay determined against the shadow as it comes to cast it's veil on the light.

I don't mean to offend anyone - but I won't be bullied regarding this.

Sorcery is real, demons are real, and their influence on humans through heedlessness as well as to some who take refuge in them and seek enlightenment from them, is a real part of life.


It's also the only way blindness to the rights of the family of Muhamad in Quran can be explained.

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If I was Atheist, I Would believe the same as you.

 
So, as an atheist, you would believe in basic human decency and the rights of all people to be well treated?  

I believe gays should be well treated and with compassion and considered a brother or sister in humanity but I don't believe we are doing them a service to say they have no way out of it nor telling them there is nothing corrupt or wrong in their state!
The way they got treated historically was wrong, but, it doesn't make it right to be gay because they were treated awfully by humans!

[Silver]

I don't mean to offend anyone - but I won't be bullied regarding this.

When someone states they don't mean to offend, the statement proves the opposite with the delivery.

As far as bullying is concerned, do you not see the fucking irony in how your anti-gay sentiments comes across?

Stop being so goddamn fucking obtuse and use that brain for something other than religious nonsense.

Sorcery is real, demons are real, and their influence on humans through heedlessness as well as to some who take refuge in them and seek enlightenment from them, is a real part of life.

Only in your head due to your propensity toward delusion.

It's also the only way blindness to the rights of the family of Muhamad in Quran can be explained.

Absolutes, especially that which has no evidence to support its existence, corrupt rationality.

[Mystic]

If I was Atheist.....

It is not about being atheist.  Stop being a fucking coward and hiding behind your theism as though it is of the highest moral value.

....But with knowledge of dark magic and demonic forces,  and I know what they have done to me and witnessed their psychological powers in that regard, I think differently regarding this.

What you are experiencing is delusion.  Not just one delusion, but a double whammy where one delusion supports another because of your inability to distinguish reality from religious fantasy.

You call it fantasy, but to me, I know by all rules of language, that there is no way it is possible Quran is not veiled with dark magic that has to be overcome.

Normal words that connect and flow easily, it's as if it has no flow due to the dark magic. And the worst interpretations are assumed and the best and most clear are not even seen as possible.

I know this 100% as a fact regarding Quran.

[Silver]

You call it fantasy, but to me, I know by all rules of language, that there is no way it is possible Quran is not veiled with dark magic that has to be overcome.

Normal words that connect and flow easily, it's as if it has no flow due to the dark magic. And the worst interpretations are assumed and the best and most clear are not even seen as possible.

I know this 100% as a fact regarding Quran.

Be careful with those absolutes.

Any sort of dark magic in which you believe is clearly from the dark recesses of your mind where convolution and delusion occurs. Dark magic, after all, is nothing more than the mundane, fallible, human notion of dislike taking on a supernatural form for the sake of irrationally discarding a natural explanation.

[Mystic]

I can prove this with regard to Quran. Normal flow that flows by rules of language, most people can't see it. Here it doesn't matter if you believe in Islam or don't, it should be clear by words of language, that this is what the phrases means in context of one another.

Yet the overwhelming sorcery - it prevents the clear book and clear recitation from being perceived. It's not normal. I've shown examples in the past regarding this!

[Silver]

I can prove this with regard to Quran.

No, you cannot. You have tried, time and time and time again with absolutely no success.

Yet the overwhelming sorcery - it prevents the clear book and clear recitation from being perceived. It's not normal. I've shown examples of the past regarding this!

The only thing preventing us from buying into your religious bull is rationality. Stop fucking pretending otherwise.