Gay "cure" therapist outed

[Paraselene]

It's more a kin that if Quran said 2+ 2 = 4 people will be like actually it says 2 and then + 2 and then I have no idea what =4 means, it's ambiguous, some people say it means this and some people say it means that, and then have multiple interpretations, and won't even see 2+2=4 is one phrase to be seen together and no they aren't playing a game, they literally won't be able to see 2+2=4 if the dark magic is such that it makes them not see it.

They not only won't see it most of them can't even see it as possible way to read it like that.

That's what I'm saying is happening in real time with regards to Quran and happened historically as well.

Ambiguous religious interpretation. It rather seems that is the norm. If there was only one way to properly interpret a religious text, one would think that supposed divinity through fallible man would be the worst way to provide the truth. Of course, those who claim to know the truth will always create apologetic arguments to support their delusional religious beliefs in the absence of real evidence.

[no one]

Are you for real Mystic? Just how drunk is the captain of your brain ship? Homosexuality does not need to be cured, as there is absolutely nothing wrong with being gay. Homosexuality is not a choice! Do you know what needs to be cured though? Willful ignorance! Plain old stupid douchebaggery, the human race can do without!

[Mystic]

If reason can deter us from raping and recognizing it's below our dignity and the sanctity of a human life to do that, then similar logic can apply to "natural" acts aside from that in nature.

And I am aware of translations to say beat woman in 4:34, not aware of any actual verse that says it in actuality, and aware of some that forbid it implicitly.

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It's more a kin that if Quran said 2+ 2 = 4 people will be like actually it says 2 and then + 2 and then I have no idea what =4 means, it's ambiguous, some people say it means this and some people say it means that, and then have multiple interpretations, and won't even see 2+2=4 is one phrase to be seen together and no they aren't playing a game, they literally won't be able to see 2+2=4 if the dark magic is such that it makes them not see it.

They not only won't see it most of them can't even see it as possible way to read it like that.

That's what I'm saying is happening in real time with regards to Quran and happened historically as well.

Ambiguous religious interpretation.  It rather seems that is the norm.  If there was only one way to properly interpret a religious text, one would think that supposed divinity through fallible man would be the worst way to provide the truth.  Of course, those who claim to know the truth will always create apologetic arguments to support their delusional religious beliefs in the absence of real evidence.

Eh.... if you can unlock the locks and recite the manifest book, you will know what I mean. Till then, it won't make sense. 

There is something mind-fucking us regarding Quran and I found Quran explains best what it is, and nothing else does really.

[Paraselene]

If reason can deter us from raping and recognizing it's below our dignity and the sanctity of a human life to do that,  then similar logic can apply to "natural" acts aside from that in nature.

In what way are rape and adult consensual sex comparable?

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Eh.... if you can unlock the locks and recite the manifest book, you will know what I mean. Till then, it won't make sense. 

There is something mind-fucking us regarding Quran and I found Quran explains best what it is, and nothing else does really.

See, that word is scary. It has no place in a rational argument.

You only "find that the Quran explains what is best" because you have deluded yourself from reality.

[Mystic]

If reason can deter us from raping and recognizing it's below our dignity and the sanctity of a human life to do that,  then similar logic can apply to "natural" acts aside from that in nature.

In what way are rape and adult consensual sex comparable?

It's not comparable in that rape is high degree sin that causes not only corruption in the earth and unrest, but put's distress on a human being, that can destroy that human being who was raped.

It's a lot worse.  That's not the point. The point is, saying it happens in nature is not an excuse and consent and non-consent what is red-herring in that regard, as I brought it back to say the analogy is correct as far is this is concerned.

[Paraselene]

You're unraveling, MK.

[Mystic]

If reason can deter us from raping and recognizing it's below our dignity and the sanctity of a human life to do that,  then similar logic can apply to "natural" acts aside from that in nature.

In what way are rape and adult consensual sex comparable?

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Eh.... if you can unlock the locks and recite the manifest book, you will know what I mean. Till then, it won't make sense. 

There is something mind-fucking us regarding Quran and I found Quran explains best what it is, and nothing else does really.

See, that word is scary.  It has no place in a rational argument.

You only "find that the Quran explains what is best" because you have deluded yourself from reality.

That thing mind-fucking us, is what makes Quran unclear. I am saying I know it's not the actual words or context of them or flow that is unclear, it's a sinister force that we have to defeat.

The locks have to be broken by reflecting and it's easy once you get it going, it will be very easy to remember.

[vulcanlogician]

MK, naturality and morality are separate issues, yes. But it has no bearing in this case.

Homosexuality- is it natural? Yes. (If you care about that sort of thing, it's natural).

Is it morally permissible? Yes. (And this is the important one.)

Case closed.

[Jehanne]

No surprise.

A prominent practitioner of gay ‘cure’ therapy has admitted seeking anonymous gay sex online.

Norman Goldwasser, an Orthodox Jewish therapist in Miami Beach, Florida, had ties to controversial conversion therapy groups including National Association for Research & Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH), which promotes the scientifically-discredited idea that gay people can be cured.


Despite his advocacy for conversion therapy, LGBT activist group Truth Wins Out has revealed that Goldwasser sought anonymous gay sex on hook-up websites Manhunt and BearNation, where he had the profile name “Hotnhairy72.”

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/11/07/ga...Rb-k61kbJM

Reminds me of what I read in David Mills' Atheist Universe book about the right-wing anti-porn Christian evangelical task force who could not support looking at porn!

[Paraselene]

That thing mind-fucking us, is what makes Quran unclear. I am saying I know it's not the actual words or context of them or flow that is unclear, it's a sinister force that we have to defeat.

The locks have to be broken by reflecting and it's easy once you get it going, it will be very easy to remember.

What I'm seeing, MK, is that you are beholden to this delusion in a very bad way. Because the only one being mind-fucked is you, for believing in what you do. You are your own worst enemy, because your mind is not allowing you to process things realistically. It's sad, really.