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RE: Atheists being asked about the existence of Jesus
January 23, 2019 at 6:57 pm
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(January 23, 2019 at 6:13 pm)Acrobat Wrote: (January 23, 2019 at 4:42 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Its not as if I haven't already commented on that, directly? You literally just quoted me commenting on it..and then asked the question?
I indicated that nearly all historians and NT scholars are confident that Jesus existed. -omitting that none of them can agree on which jesus it was, and that they commonly think that the other jesi are legendary and mythical..which is also true of "paul" in "the scholarly consensus"..which has itself come under intense scrutiny for religious bias and methodological failure. Not exactly tiny little issues, lol.
If you're going to hinge your entire argument on "the consensus of scholars", it's best not to leave out pertinent details..but I can upend this entire line of reasoning by asking what evidence they believe the various historical jesi they believe in are..in fact, historical. The answer..to a man, will be "we have stories in magic book". This was your answer as well..conveniently enough for me. When any of them (or you) are ready to offer the same argument in favor of a historical hercules, then you just let me know. Meanwhile, there's the companion claim that this conclusion is exactly like other conclusions of historicity, but that's blatantly false..it gets debunked every time it;s brought up, but that doesn;t stop people from imagining it to be true...particularly christian people, lol.
Quote:You accused me of making this up(imaginary) and previously implied that this isn’t true.
Because you are, though..again..I think you do it unintentionally, you don't know what the consensus of scholars is, you just read in wiki that it's definitely something like the thing you think might pass for a solid argument.
Quote:I quoted you Wikipedia, confirming this as well.
You have yet to correct yourself, or even claim that the Wikipedia entry is false.
Why would I need to?
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RE: Atheists being asked about the existence of Jesus
January 23, 2019 at 7:27 pm
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(January 23, 2019 at 6:57 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Because you are, though..again..I think you do it unintentionally, you don't know what the consensus of scholars is, you just read in wiki that it's definitely something like the thing you think might pass for a solid argument.
The standard position among NT scholars and historians is that Jesus existed, nearly all Nt scholars and historians of that period agree.
The Wikipedia article indicates this, and links to a variety of sources confirming this as well.
Do you acknowledge that this is the standard position? Even if you as non-historian might disagree with them?
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RE: Atheists being asked about the existence of Jesus
January 23, 2019 at 7:29 pm
Perhaps you should read your own link, and we can continue this conversation afterward?
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RE: Atheists being asked about the existence of Jesus
January 23, 2019 at 9:44 pm
(January 23, 2019 at 7:29 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Perhaps you should read your own link, and we can continue this conversation afterward?
So you can't answer the question?
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RE: Atheists being asked about the existence of Jesus
January 23, 2019 at 10:02 pm
(January 23, 2019 at 4:42 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Its not as if I haven't already commented on that, directly? You literally just quoted me commenting on it..and then asked the question?
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RE: Atheists being asked about the existence of Jesus
January 23, 2019 at 10:36 pm
(January 23, 2019 at 10:02 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: (January 23, 2019 at 4:42 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Its not as if I haven't already commented on that, directly? You literally just quoted me commenting on it..and then asked the question?
No you commented on it, you just didn't answer the question.
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RE: Atheists being asked about the existence of Jesus
January 24, 2019 at 10:01 am
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Finished reading your own link yet? Do you have a better picture of what "the consensus of scholars" is, now?
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RE: Atheists being asked about the existence of Jesus
January 24, 2019 at 11:04 am
(January 24, 2019 at 10:01 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: Finished reading your own link yet? Do you have a better picture of what "the consensus of scholars" is, now?
Yes, but still no answer from you I see.
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RE: Atheists being asked about the existence of Jesus
January 24, 2019 at 11:07 am
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Wonderful, then you know that the "consensus of scholars" is ironically that there is no consensus of scholars, just as I have previously commented.
Next?
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RE: Atheists being asked about the existence of Jesus
January 24, 2019 at 11:11 am
(January 24, 2019 at 11:07 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: Wonderful, then you know that the "consensus of scholars" is ironically that there is no consensus of scholars, just as I have previously commented.
Next?
“Virtually all New Testament scholars and Near East historians, applying the standard criteria of historical investigation, find that the historicity of Jesus is effectively certain” -wiki
Sounds like a consensus to me.
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