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trying to leave Christianity permanently, please help
#41
RE: trying to leave Christianity permanently, please help
(January 6, 2019 at 3:25 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:
(January 6, 2019 at 1:48 pm)Aoi Magi Wrote: So the almighty G.O.D could not find any peaceful ways of letting them 'pass through thy land'? Like no way to put all the 'evil people' to sleep and splitting rivers so that everyone can just pass across safely and peacefully? Or better yet, just teleport them out of there?

Or you could just consider human responsibility.  Sounds like you would prefer to be controlled by someone.

If I want to walk somewhere, I'll start to walk there.  If someone attacks me on my way there, welp, I guess I'm done walking and they're about to get bonked on the head.  Afterwards, back to walking.  Didn't want to bonk them, but it's either that or get bonked myself.  Maybe they'll even get lucky and bonk me better than I bonked them.  Regardless, I don't need my hand held to figure it out and react accordingly, and if they weren't put to sleep instead of attacking me, no big deal.
if it were humans fighting amongst themselves, then sure I can understand human responsibility, in this case though there was god already intervening right from the start.

if you drag your toddler to face the class bully and then beat up that bully yourself, then your toddler isn't responsible, you being the adult will be fully responsible.

(January 6, 2019 at 3:25 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:
(January 6, 2019 at 1:48 pm)Aoi Magi Wrote: So the almighty G.O.D could not find any peaceful ways of letting them 'pass through thy land'? Like no way to put all the 'evil people' to sleep and splitting rivers so that everyone can just pass across safely and peacefully? Or better yet, just teleport them out of there?

Or you could just consider human responsibility.  Sounds like you would prefer to be controlled by someone.

If I want to walk somewhere, I'll start to walk there.  If someone attacks me on my way there, welp, I guess I'm done walking and they're about to get bonked on the head.  Afterwards, back to walking.  Didn't want to bonk them, but it's either that or get bonked myself.  Maybe they'll even get lucky and bonk me better than I bonked them.  Regardless, I don't need my hand held to figure it out and react accordingly, and if they weren't put to sleep instead of attacking me, no big deal.
if it were humans fighting amongst themselves, then sure I can understand human responsibility, in this case though there was god already intervening right from the start.

if you drag your toddler to face the class bully and then beat up that bully yourself, then your toddler isn't responsible, you being the adult will be fully responsible.
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#42
RE: trying to leave Christianity permanently, please help
(January 6, 2019 at 3:25 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:
(January 6, 2019 at 1:48 pm)Aoi Magi Wrote: So the almighty G.O.D could not find any peaceful ways of letting them 'pass through thy land'? Like no way to put all the 'evil people' to sleep and splitting rivers so that everyone can just pass across safely and peacefully? Or better yet, just teleport them out of there?

Or you could just consider human responsibility.  Sounds like you would prefer to be controlled by someone.

If I want to walk somewhere, I'll start to walk there.  If someone attacks me on my way there, welp, I guess I'm done walking and they're about to get bonked on the head.  Afterwards, back to walking.  Didn't want to bonk them, but it's either that or get bonked myself.  Maybe they'll even get lucky and bonk me better than I bonked them.  Regardless, I don't need my hand held to figure it out and react accordingly, and if they weren't put to sleep instead of attacking me, no big deal.

Getting bonked means something very different over here. Hehe
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#43
RE: trying to leave Christianity permanently, please help
(January 7, 2019 at 12:24 am)Aoi Magi Wrote:
(January 6, 2019 at 3:25 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Or you could just consider human responsibility.  Sounds like you would prefer to be controlled by someone.

If I want to walk somewhere, I'll start to walk there.  If someone attacks me on my way there, welp, I guess I'm done walking and they're about to get bonked on the head.  Afterwards, back to walking.  Didn't want to bonk them, but it's either that or get bonked myself.  Maybe they'll even get lucky and bonk me better than I bonked them.  Regardless, I don't need my hand held to figure it out and react accordingly, and if they weren't put to sleep instead of attacking me, no big deal.
if it were humans fighting amongst themselves, then sure I can understand human responsibility, in this case though there was god already intervening right from the start.

if you drag your toddler to face the class bully and then beat up that bully yourself, then your toddler isn't responsible, you being the adult will be fully responsible.

(January 6, 2019 at 3:25 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Or you could just consider human responsibility.  Sounds like you would prefer to be controlled by someone.

If I want to walk somewhere, I'll start to walk there.  If someone attacks me on my way there, welp, I guess I'm done walking and they're about to get bonked on the head.  Afterwards, back to walking.  Didn't want to bonk them, but it's either that or get bonked myself.  Maybe they'll even get lucky and bonk me better than I bonked them.  Regardless, I don't need my hand held to figure it out and react accordingly, and if they weren't put to sleep instead of attacking me, no big deal.
if it were humans fighting amongst themselves, then sure I can understand human responsibility, in this case though there was god already intervening right from the start.

if you drag your toddler to face the class bully and then beat up that bully yourself, then your toddler isn't responsible, you being the adult will be fully responsible.

What historical evidence do you have for Yahweh's intervention in history that could not also be made on behalf of Ra, Amun, Enki, etc., etc.?

I want you to know that I am shocked, absolutely shocked, that I could be sitting here at 6 AM CST having a dialogue with another human being who takes seriously the existence of some ancient Mesopotamian "god".  Frankly, you would do better by getting a piece of wood, painting it, decorating it with flowers and then putting that in your backyard and calling it "god", worshiping and praying to it, than you would continuing to worship some ancient Mesopotamian deity.
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#44
RE: trying to leave Christianity permanently, please help
I'm shocked you're up that early.
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#45
RE: trying to leave Christianity permanently, please help
I have a disabled son who boards his bus at 7:15; plus, I have a plumber coming this morning to look at a leak.
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#46
RE: trying to leave Christianity permanently, please help
(January 7, 2019 at 7:19 am)IWNKYAAIMI Wrote:
(January 6, 2019 at 3:25 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Or you could just consider human responsibility.  Sounds like you would prefer to be controlled by someone.

If I want to walk somewhere, I'll start to walk there.  If someone attacks me on my way there, welp, I guess I'm done walking and they're about to get bonked on the head.  Afterwards, back to walking.  Didn't want to bonk them, but it's either that or get bonked myself.  Maybe they'll even get lucky and bonk me better than I bonked them.  Regardless, I don't need my hand held to figure it out and react accordingly, and if they weren't put to sleep instead of attacking me, no big deal.

Getting bonked means something very different over here.  Hehe

It can mean different things.  If the attacker is a cute lady, sometimes you have to reconsider your options.

(January 7, 2019 at 7:50 am)Jehanne Wrote:
(January 7, 2019 at 12:24 am)Aoi Magi Wrote: if it were humans fighting amongst themselves, then sure I can understand human responsibility, in this case though there was god already intervening right from the start.

if you drag your toddler to face the class bully and then beat up that bully yourself, then your toddler isn't responsible, you being the adult will be fully responsible.

if it were humans fighting amongst themselves, then sure I can understand human responsibility, in this case though there was god already intervening right from the start.

if you drag your toddler to face the class bully and then beat up that bully yourself, then your toddler isn't responsible, you being the adult will be fully responsible.

What historical evidence do you have for Yahweh's intervention in history that could not also be made on behalf of Ra, Amun, Enki, etc., etc.?

I want you to know that I am shocked, absolutely shocked, that I could be sitting here at 6 AM CST having a dialogue with another human being who takes seriously the existence of some ancient Mesopotamian "god".  Frankly, you would do better by getting a piece of wood, painting it, decorating it with flowers and then putting that in your backyard and calling it "god", worshiping and praying to it, than you would continuing to worship some ancient Mesopotamian deity.

At 6 am, I would suggest focusing your energy on making waffles instead.  If Ra, Amun, Enki, etc., etc. are there helping you make waffles, then I'll reconsider what you said.  Aside from that, no reason to be "shocked" so easily.  If you don't agree with me, fair enough.  If you like waffles, maybe we can just agree on that instead. Smile
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