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trying to leave Christianity permanently, please help
#31
RE: trying to leave Christianity permanently, please help
(January 5, 2019 at 3:51 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:
(January 5, 2019 at 3:03 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Wikipedia -- Predictions of Jesus' Second Coming

Yep, dates those people came up on their own.

(January 5, 2019 at 3:39 pm)GGG Wrote: Here your place in this book. and i was wrong - Joshua destroys and kill all people in the name of god not in 40 towns but 60.  - Book of Deuteronomy- chapter 1-7/ btw i need to find you exact place in this book where god kill all egyptian kids? i think anybody who read this book becomes atheist after that

Right, can you narrow it down to where it says that specifically?  Or are you saying throughout you were able to total everything and come to a figure of 60?

no it says exactly 60 towns  ,Book of Deuteronomy- chapter 3 (paragraph 4). https://www.lds.org/scriptures/ot/deut/3?lang=eng

even if it was 1 town (it was 60) - your god just kill women and children. btw i didnt hear from you about god killing all egyptian kids (all kids grom whole country- its many many kids) without even help of his goons like Joshua or Moses
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#32
RE: trying to leave Christianity permanently, please help
(January 5, 2019 at 3:51 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Right, can you narrow it down to where it says that specifically?  Or are you saying throughout you were able to total everything and come to a figure of 60?

Deuteronomy  Chapter 3 (4).  https://www.lds.org/scriptures/ot/deut/3?lang=eng
Even if it was just 1 city (it was 60) your god just kills women and children - whole city.  Btw i didnt hear your reply about god killing all egyptian children (there is many children from whole country) without even help of his goons like Joshua or Moses.
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#33
RE: trying to leave Christianity permanently, please help
(January 6, 2019 at 1:06 am)GGG Wrote:
(January 5, 2019 at 3:51 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Right, can you narrow it down to where it says that specifically?  Or are you saying throughout you were able to total everything and come to a figure of 60?

Deuteronomy  Chapter 3 (4).      https://www.lds.org/scriptures/ot/deut/3?lang=eng  
Even if it was just 1 city (it was 60) your god just kills women and children - whole city.  Btw i didnt hear your reply  about god killing all egyptian children (there is many children from whole country) without even help of his goons like Joshua or Moses.

I don't see the problem you're having.  Joshua didn't start the battle.  Him and his men finished it though.  In Numbers, the previous book, it talks about what happened that lead to it.

Num 21:33 And they turned and went up by the way of Bashan: and Og the king of Bashan went out against them, he, and all his people, to the battle at Edrei.


If you read that chapter, all Joshua and his people wanted to do was to pass the land.  Nothing more.  

Num 21:23 Let me pass through thy land: we will not turn into the fields, or into the vineyards; we will not drink of the waters of the well: but we will go along by the king's high way, until we be past thy borders.

If you are traveling somewhere and make it clear you are just trying to make your way to the border so you can get to your destination, no harm intended, but someone attacks you, how would you react?
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#34
RE: trying to leave Christianity permanently, please help
yeah ok there again your expanations that killing women and children is ok (and he did it) . i get it.
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#35
RE: trying to leave Christianity permanently, please help
(January 6, 2019 at 2:05 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: If you are traveling somewhere and make it clear you are just trying to make your way to the border so you can get to your destination, no harm intended, but someone attacks you, how would you react?
Would you kill a whole city, every.single.person? Huh
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#36
RE: trying to leave Christianity permanently, please help
(January 6, 2019 at 2:30 am)GGG Wrote: yeah ok there again your expanations that killing women and children is ok (and he did it) . i get it.

So you would just sit there and let someone attack you?  They had women and children with them as well.  Life isn't always pretty and people aren't always friendly, but sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do.  The interest wasn't in harming anyone.  The interest was in getting out of their way so they could get to their destination, not start a battle.

(January 6, 2019 at 5:48 am)Deesse23 Wrote:
(January 6, 2019 at 2:05 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: If you are traveling somewhere and make it clear you are just trying to make your way to the border so you can get to your destination, no harm intended, but someone attacks you, how would you react?
Would you kill a whole city, every.single.person?  Huh

When I was in the Army, it wasn't about what I did or didn't want to do.  It was about what I needed to do.  I wouldn't tell anyone to go out and kill someone just because, but when there are battles going on, sometimes you don't get to pick in choose.

I'm sure you've heard of Chris Kyle.  He was an American Sniper known in Iraq as al-shaitan (the devil) of Ramadi.  One of his most well-known shots was having to shoot a woman who was carrying a grenade under her cloak and walking towards Marines.  Later on he stated that he never took a shot that he regretted.  Unfortunately he was later killed by another American he was trying to help.

The reality is sometimes these things happen.  Often woman and children become combatants, and many times they have no choice in the matter.   Sometimes the best we can do in life isn't optimal, but that doesn't mean it isn't appropriate for a given time.
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#37
RE: trying to leave Christianity permanently, please help
(January 6, 2019 at 2:05 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:
(January 6, 2019 at 1:06 am)GGG Wrote: Deuteronomy  Chapter 3 (4).      https://www.lds.org/scriptures/ot/deut/3?lang=eng  
Even if it was just 1 city (it was 60) your god just kills women and children - whole city.  Btw i didnt hear your reply  about god killing all egyptian children (there is many children from whole country) without even help of his goons like Joshua or Moses.

I don't see the problem you're having.  Joshua didn't start the battle.  Him and his men finished it though.  In Numbers, the previous book, it talks about what happened that lead to it.

Num 21:33 And they turned and went up by the way of Bashan: and Og the king of Bashan went out against them, he, and all his people, to the battle at Edrei.


If you read that chapter, all Joshua and his people wanted to do was to pass the land.  Nothing more.  

Num 21:23 Let me pass through thy land: we will not turn into the fields, or into the vineyards; we will not drink of the waters of the well: but we will go along by the king's high way, until we be past thy borders.

If you are traveling somewhere and make it clear you are just trying to make your way to the border so you can get to your destination, no harm intended, but someone attacks you, how would you react?

Few scholars believe that these texts contain literal history:


Quote:Composition
Balaam and the Angel (illustration from the 1493 Nuremberg Chronicle)

The majority of modern biblical scholars believe that the Torah (the books of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy) reached its present form in the post-Exilic period (i.e., after c.520 BCE), based on pre-existing written and oral traditions and "contemporary geographical and demographic details but even more importantly from contemporary political realities".[7][8] The five books are often described as being drawn from four "sources" - schools of writers rather than individuals - the Yahwist and the Elohist (frequently treated as a single source), the Priestly source and the Deuteronomist.[9] There is ongoing dispute over the origins of the non-Priestly source(s), but it is generally agreed that the Priestly source is post-exilic.[10]

    Genesis is made up of Priestly and non-Priestly material.[10]
    Exodus is an anthology drawn from nearly all periods of Israel's history.[11]
    Leviticus is entirely Priestly and dates from the exilic/post-exilic period.[12]
    Numbers is a Priestly redaction (i.e., editing) of a non-Priestly original.[2]
    Deuteronomy, now the last book of the Torah, began as the set of religious laws (these make up the bulk of the book), was extended in the early part of the 6th century BCE to serve as the introduction to the Deuteronomistic history (the books from Joshua to Kings), and later still was detached from that history, extended and edited again, and attached to the Torah.[13]


Wikipedia -- Book of Numbers: Composition

Do you also believe that Joshua stopped the rotation of the Earth?  Caused the Sun to reverse its daily course through the Sky??
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#38
RE: trying to leave Christianity permanently, please help
So the almighty G.O.D could not find any peaceful ways of letting them 'pass through thy land'? Like no way to put all the 'evil people' to sleep and splitting rivers so that everyone can just pass across safely and peacefully? Or better yet, just teleport them out of there?
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#39
RE: trying to leave Christianity permanently, please help
(January 3, 2019 at 5:12 pm)DoubtingHerFaith Wrote: Hi, I'm new here, I'm 24 female and I was raised christian and then stopped believing and became atheist and that was too depressing for me at the time so then I was agnostic and researched a little into other religions and then got majorly into New Age, and then came back around to following christianity 3 months ago because New Age was mostly lies and I thought it was demonic and I missed how I felt when I was little and everything was easy and I could just trust in Jesus, except I had forgotten why I stopped believing in the first place and it's because I have mental disorders(bipolar II, borderline pd, depression, introversion) that made it impossible for me to be the good and perfect Christian I wanted to be. and now I'm back in the same position and it seems like God created me with no chance of being able to be good enough just to damn me. and I really really don't want to believe in Christianity. help please

Oh I will be honest though, I'm scared of the prophecies in Revelations about the Mark of the Beast because I can totally see how it could be an RFID chip and I know the possibility of a New World Order, One World Government is definitely the direction we're headed in and merging with technology and it freaks me out. I don't see it as being a good thing for humanity sorry to say and that might upset some people here but I don't trust giving that much power to the most power hungry of us humans. they unfortunately usually don't have benevolent intentions(think Psychopaths....high level psychopaths.....I don't trust the low level ones and definitely not the high level ones lol)

First off, you don't "leave" a religion, one simply realizes the claims are not true. You leave a building, you leave a country, but holding a religion are god belief is merely holding a position. If new data comes in that causes you to rethink a position, then you are giving up on that position and taking up another position.

And that is true when people take up another religion or god belief and give up on the one they held prior.

And there is nothing to be scared of about the mythologies of any holy writing. If you are not scared of threats of hell made by Muslims who quote the Koran, then it should also be easy to understand why you are not threatened by Darth Vader or Lex Luther.

Humans in ALL of antiquity worldwide had various versions of afterlife punishment/reward motifs. Even the religions of Asia had stories of what would happen to you in the after life if you did good or bad.

The good news is there is no hell to burn in, but there is no heaven either. I accept that I didn't exist before I was born, and I will not exist after I die. That does not make me fatalistic, or pessimistic, nor does it mean I advocate lawlessness or violence. It merely means I accept our finite reality.

I still want to live, I don't want to die. I still value non violence and common law and empathy for others. I simply see no magic or divine source to nature.

You go to a movie knowing it ends but you still go and enjoy it. You go to a music concert knowing it plays a last song, but you still go and enjoy it. You read a good book knowing it has a last page, but you still read it. You get a pet cat or dog, knowing they wont live as long as you do, but you still love them, and when they die, you mourn them, but eventually you may even get another one after that.

I still have family and friends I love. I still fear pain and a prolonged death. But I don't fear a fictional afterlife anymore than I fear my non existence 4 billion years ago when I also did not exist. I still value non violence and obeying the law, but like I said, I see no magic, nothing divine, and no god helping us. If humans want help, the only ones we have are each other.
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#40
RE: trying to leave Christianity permanently, please help
(January 6, 2019 at 1:48 pm)Aoi Magi Wrote: So the almighty G.O.D could not find any peaceful ways of letting them 'pass through thy land'? Like no way to put all the 'evil people' to sleep and splitting rivers so that everyone can just pass across safely and peacefully? Or better yet, just teleport them out of there?

Or you could just consider human responsibility.  Sounds like you would prefer to be controlled by someone.

If I want to walk somewhere, I'll start to walk there.  If someone attacks me on my way there, welp, I guess I'm done walking and they're about to get bonked on the head.  Afterwards, back to walking.  Didn't want to bonk them, but it's either that or get bonked myself.  Maybe they'll even get lucky and bonk me better than I bonked them.  Regardless, I don't need my hand held to figure it out and react accordingly, and if they weren't put to sleep instead of attacking me, no big deal.
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