Stop trying to reason with Trump supporters

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

It might not be the best idea to lump all Trump supporters together.  The ones who make it to the news or to social media outlets might not be a good enough representative sample.

Boru

[Yonadav]

It might not be the best idea to lump all Trump supporters together.  The ones who make it to the news or to social media outlets might not be a good enough representative sample.

Boru

Not only that, but most of the ones who make the news aren't really Trump supporters. For them, Trump is just a stooge that helps them fuel the news cycle and entertain their fans, and he is a stooge who can be easily manipulated into doing stupid things-- like this government shutdown fiasco that they have him backed into. They are not his friends and he can get burned to the ground so there is nothing but ashes left of him, and they won't care. There is no compromise that he can make that they will accept. To them, he is just a stupid kid that they can taunt into doing stupid things, and then ridicule him for wanting to get out of the stupid situation that they taunted him into. He is so desperate to be an alpha male that everyone knows that they can taunt him into grabbing the electric fence to see if it is still on.

[Brian37]

It might not be the best idea to lump all Trump supporters together.  The ones who make it to the news or to social media outlets might not be a good enough representative sample.

Boru

Not the point. If their supporters want to say, "I am not like them" or " I don't like what Trump says all the time", then the responsibility is on them to turn to those who say and do those vile things and tell them to knock it off.

We are not talking about politics as normal. Now is not the time to say, "Oh well, what are you going to do".

Just recently Pence tried to equate Trump to MLK. That is fucking nonsense, and not only nonsense, it is really another dangerous attempt for him to wink at far right white bigots and tell them they are now the new oppressed group.

And even today the orange turd, after years of shitting on Hispanics/Mexicans and Puerto Rico, is now saying that he is a friend of those groups because he threw in a DOCA  plan to his 5 billion dollar vanity project which was nothing more than pandering to his bigoted base.

If his supporters want to say others in their ranks don't represent them, so what? They have no right to bitch if they don't want to clean their own house.

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It might not be the best idea to lump all Trump supporters together.  The ones who make it to the news or to social media outlets might not be a good enough representative sample.

Boru

Not only that, but most of the ones who make the news aren't really Trump supporters. For them, Trump is just a stooge that helps them fuel the news cycle and entertain their fans, and he is a stooge who can be easily manipulated into doing stupid things-- like this government shutdown fiasco that they have him backed into. They are not his friends and he can get burned to the ground so there is nothing but ashes left of him, and they won't care. There is no compromise that he can make that they will accept. To them, he is just a stupid kid that they can taunt into doing stupid things, and then ridicule him for wanting to get out of the stupid situation that they taunted him into. He is so desperate to be an alpha male that everyone knows that they can taunt him into grabbing the electric fence to see if it is still on.

How dare you try to downplay 45's vile dangerous rhetoric. If it had no effect on those who follow him, there would have been no Charlottesville Va.

This is the same president who refused to accept his intel when they told him Russia did interfere. The same asshole who also refused to condemn the Saudi Prince for the murder of a reporter.

Your ignorance of how the rhetoric of a leader can and does influence a society is astounding, and naive and dangerous.

Voltaire, "Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities."

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

It might not be the best idea to lump all Trump supporters together.  The ones who make it to the news or to social media outlets might not be a good enough representative sample.

Boru

Not the point. If their supporters want to say, "I am not like them" or " I don't like what Trump says all the time", then the responsibility is on them to turn to those who say and do those vile things and tell them to knock it off.

We are not talking about politics as normal. Now is not the time to say, "Oh well, what are you going to do".

Just recently Pence tried to equate Trump to MLK. That is fucking nonsense, and not only nonsense, it is really another dangerous attempt for him to wink at far right white bigots and tell them they are now the new oppressed group.

And even today the orange turd, after years of shitting on Hispanics/Mexicans and Puerto Rico, is now saying that he is a friend of those groups because he threw in a DOCA  plan to his 5 billion dollar vanity project which was nothing more than pandering to his bigoted base.

If his supporters want to say others in their ranks don't represent them, so what? They have no right to bitch if they don't want to clean their own house.

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Well, the point wasn't Trump supporters talking to other Trump supporters, it was the futility of non-Trump supporters reasoning with Trump supporters.

You of all people should be very, very careful of using the phrase 'not the point'.

Boru

[Brian37]

Not the point. If their supporters want to say, "I am not like them" or " I don't like what Trump says all the time", then the responsibility is on them to turn to those who say and do those vile things and tell them to knock it off.

We are not talking about politics as normal. Now is not the time to say, "Oh well, what are you going to do".

Just recently Pence tried to equate Trump to MLK. That is fucking nonsense, and not only nonsense, it is really another dangerous attempt for him to wink at far right white bigots and tell them they are now the new oppressed group.

And even today the orange turd, after years of shitting on Hispanics/Mexicans and Puerto Rico, is now saying that he is a friend of those groups because he threw in a DOCA  plan to his 5 billion dollar vanity project which was nothing more than pandering to his bigoted base.

If his supporters want to say others in their ranks don't represent them, so what? They have no right to bitch if they don't want to clean their own house.

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Well, the point wasn't Trump supporters talking to other Trump supporters, it was the futility of non-Trump supporters reasoning with Trump supporters.

You of all people should be very, very careful of using the phrase 'not the point'.

Boru

No, the thread was asking why we bother. I didn't miss that point.

I am merely saying that we really have no choice at this point. I would love to go back to the days where nuts were simply passed by on the street and ignored. I was adding to the fact we have no choice but to respond, isn't a matter now of changing hearts of his base, but to act as empowerment to those who know he is a vile bully, and to get moderates and independents who are on the fence to see him as too toxic to support.

So for the moderates and independents willing to hold their nose and take the win despite everything he has said and done vilifying entire races and religions and kissing up to dictators, if they don't want that response, then they should grow some balls and stand up to the fucker.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Well, the point wasn't Trump supporters talking to other Trump supporters, it was the futility of non-Trump supporters reasoning with Trump supporters.

You of all people should be very, very careful of using the phrase 'not the point'.

Boru

No, the thread was asking why we bother. I didn't miss that point.

I am merely saying that we really have no choice at this point. I would love to go back to the days where nuts were simply passed by on the street and ignored. I was adding to the fact we have no choice but to respond, isn't a matter now of changing hearts of his base, but to act as empowerment to those who know he is a vile bully, and to get moderates and independents who are on the fence to see him as too toxic to support.

So for the moderates and independents willing to hold their nose and take the win despite everything he has said and done vilifying entire races and religions and kissing up to dictators, if they don't want that response, then they should grow some balls and stand up to the fucker.

What is the semantic difference between 'the futility of...' and 'why we bother to...'?

But if smaller words make you comfortable, ok. The point of the OP was that we shouldn't bother reasoning with Trump supporters.  My point was that this paints with too broad a brush, as the OP characterized all Trump supporters as essentially the same, a claim which is unjustified.  You replied to this point by saying some Trump supporters should stand up to other Trump supporters (a stance I don't necessarily disagree with), which wasn't my point.

You have a habit of replying to things no one said and of attempting to refute points no one has made. You should really try to stay more on point with your replies.

Boru

[Brian37]

No, the thread was asking why we bother. I didn't miss that point.

I am merely saying that we really have no choice at this point. I would love to go back to the days where nuts were simply passed by on the street and ignored. I was adding to the fact we have no choice but to respond, isn't a matter now of changing hearts of his base, but to act as empowerment to those who know he is a vile bully, and to get moderates and independents who are on the fence to see him as too toxic to support.

So for the moderates and independents willing to hold their nose and take the win despite everything he has said and done vilifying entire races and religions and kissing up to dictators, if they don't want that response, then they should grow some balls and stand up to the fucker.

What is the semantic difference between 'the futility of...' and 'why we bother to...'?

But if smaller words make you comfortable, ok. The point of the OP was that we shouldn't bother reasoning with Trump supporters.  My point was that this paints with too broad a brush, as the OP characterized all Trump supporters as essentially the same, a claim which is unjustified.  You replied to this point by saying some Trump supporters should stand up to other Trump supporters (a stance I don't necessarily disagree with), which wasn't my point.

You have a habit of replying to things no one said and of attempting to refute points no one has made. You should really try to stay more on point with your replies.

Boru

And I am saying we are not at a point in history where ignoring is an option.

When his type of rhetoric of scapegoating and vilification reaches the top ranks of government, bad things follow.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

What is the semantic difference between 'the futility of...' and 'why we bother to...'?

But if smaller words make you comfortable, ok. The point of the OP was that we shouldn't bother reasoning with Trump supporters.  My point was that this paints with too broad a brush, as the OP characterized all Trump supporters as essentially the same, a claim which is unjustified.  You replied to this point by saying some Trump supporters should stand up to other Trump supporters (a stance I don't necessarily disagree with), which wasn't my point.

You have a habit of replying to things no one said and of attempting to refute points no one has made. You should really try to stay more on point with your replies.

Boru

And I am saying we are not at a point in history where ignoring is an option.

When his type of rhetoric of scapegoating and vilification reaches the top ranks of government, bad things follow.

It is SO adorable that you just did it again and don't even realize it.

Boru

[Brian37]

And I am saying we are not at a point in history where ignoring is an option.

When his type of rhetoric of scapegoating and vilification reaches the top ranks of government, bad things follow.

It is SO adorable that you just did it again and don't even realize it.

Boru

Did what? 

If someone wants to claim in like in the OP we should not lump all Trump supporters in the same camp, seems to me you keep missing my point.

It is on them, not us, to do the right thing. If they do not want the rightful responses to his vile bullying and bigotry, then it is up to them, not those doing the right thing, to stop holding their nose for the win.

I like you Boru, but again, now is not the time to split hairs with the current occupant of the White House.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

It is SO adorable that you just did it again and don't even realize it.

Boru

Did what? 

If someone wants to claim in like in the OP we should not lump all Trump supporters in the same camp, seems to me you keep missing my point.

It is on them, not us, to do the right thing. If they do not want the rightful responses to his vile bullying and bigotry, then it is up to them, not those doing the right thing, to stop holding their nose for the win.

I like you Boru, but again, now is not the time to split hairs with the current occupant of the White House.

Let's be clear - do you agree with the OP that we should stop trying to reason with Trump supporters?

Boru