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RE: Trumps base is starting to erode.
January 21, 2019 at 12:05 pm
Already a lot of people lost their jobs due to tariffs. And although tariffs help some they harmed much more others and all are Trump voters, but even those that are on verge of losing their jobs still support Trump. Especially farmers who can't sell any soy since China is not buying
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RE: Trumps base is starting to erode.
January 21, 2019 at 12:46 pm
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RE: Trumps base is starting to erode.
January 21, 2019 at 2:31 pm
(January 21, 2019 at 12:46 pm)Jehanne Wrote: China is buying more from Latin America:
Latin American Countries' Rising Trade with China
I heard Latin America are buying bargain Soy and selling it to china which is still less than buying from the US because of the tariffs.
So the US farmers lose and china wins again.
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RE: Trumps base is starting to erode.
January 21, 2019 at 2:40 pm
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Tariffs aren't the whole soybean story. We had a bumper crop and Brazil is having a bumper crop. And by the way, the Chinese have started buying US soybeans again.
http://www.grainphd.com/special-reports/...an-prices/
(January 21, 2019 at 2:31 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: (January 21, 2019 at 12:46 pm)Jehanne Wrote: China is buying more from Latin America:
Latin American Countries' Rising Trade with China
I heard Latin America are buying bargain Soy and selling it to china which is still less than buying from the US because of the tariffs.
So the US farmers lose and china wins again.
That would make no sense. Are you saying that Latin America bought US soybeans and sold them to China? That would be fine with US farmers. That would be an end run around Chinese restrictions, not US restrictions.
The Chinese have been buying South American soybeans for quite awhile. Brazil has a bumper crop this year.
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RE: Trumps base is starting to erode.
January 21, 2019 at 2:50 pm
(January 21, 2019 at 2:40 pm)Yonadav Wrote: Tariffs aren't the whole soybean story. We had a bumper crop and Brazil is having a bumper crop. And by the way, the Chinese have started buying US soybeans again.
http://www.grainphd.com/special-reports/...an-prices/
(January 21, 2019 at 2:31 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: I heard Latin America are buying bargain Soy and selling it to china which is still less than buying from the US because of the tariffs.
So the US farmers lose and china wins again.
That would make no sense. Are you saying that Latin America bought US soybeans and sold them to China? That would be fine with US farmers. That would be an end run around Chinese restrictions, not US restrictions.
The Chinese have been buying South American soybeans for quite awhile. Brazil has a bumper crop this year.
Supply & Demand, of course; Brazil is paying less than China, but being a perishable, US farmers have no say in where their goods go.
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January 21, 2019 at 3:03 pm
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(January 21, 2019 at 2:50 pm)Jehanne Wrote: (January 21, 2019 at 2:40 pm)Yonadav Wrote: Tariffs aren't the whole soybean story. We had a bumper crop and Brazil is having a bumper crop. And by the way, the Chinese have started buying US soybeans again.
http://www.grainphd.com/special-reports/...an-prices/
That would make no sense. Are you saying that Latin America bought US soybeans and sold them to China? That would be fine with US farmers. That would be an end run around Chinese restrictions, not US restrictions.
The Chinese have been buying South American soybeans for quite awhile. Brazil has a bumper crop this year.
Supply & Demand, of course; Brazil is paying less than China, but being a perishable, US farmers have no say in where their goods go.
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OK. I figured out what you folks are talking about with other countries buying US soybeans and sending them to China.
That's not quite what's happening, and this sort of thing actually happens with more frequency than people realize.
Let's say Canada has a trade agreement with Malaysia where Malaysia buys their soybeans at market price.
China gets into a dispute with the US and wants to avoid buying US soybeans.
China offers Canada $3 per bushel above market for their soybeans.
Canada must honor its commitment to Malaysia.
Canada pays US market rate to ship US beans to Malaysia.
Canada then sells its own beans to China for $3 per bushel above market rate.
The US gets paid market rate for its beans.
Canada was paid a hefty premium for its beans.
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RE: Trumps base is starting to erode.
January 21, 2019 at 4:18 pm
(January 21, 2019 at 2:40 pm)Yonadav Wrote: Tariffs aren't the whole soybean story. We had a bumper crop and Brazil is having a bumper crop. And by the way, the Chinese have started buying US soybeans again.
http://www.grainphd.com/special-reports/...an-prices/
(January 21, 2019 at 2:31 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: I heard Latin America are buying bargain Soy and selling it to china which is still less than buying from the US because of the tariffs.
So the US farmers lose and china wins again.
That would make no sense. Are you saying that Latin America bought US soybeans and sold them to China? That would be fine with US farmers. That would be an end run around Chinese restrictions, not US restrictions.
The Chinese have been buying South American soybeans for quite awhile. Brazil has a bumper crop this year.
Yes they are buying it at heavily discounted prices. After all the farmers cant sell to china now and have to sell somewhere or it just rots. But mainly they are just selling their soya instead of the USA. This may be permanent. US soya may never recover.
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RE: Trumps base is starting to erode.
January 21, 2019 at 4:49 pm
The polls also said he wouldn't get elected in 2016, so no offense but I tend to wonder if these polls are complete horse shit.
All I can say is, for some reason, Trumps fans don't seem to turn on him. It's one of the most illogical fanbases I've ever personally seen for a president and it scares me. Here's to hoping we get a Dem in office in 2020.
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RE: Trumps base is starting to erode.
January 21, 2019 at 8:01 pm
(January 21, 2019 at 4:49 pm)PRJA93 Wrote: The polls also said he wouldn't get elected in 2016, so no offense but I tend to wonder if these polls are complete horse shit.
All I can say is, for some reason, Trumps fans don't seem to turn on him. It's one of the most illogical fanbases I've ever personally seen for a president and it scares me. Here's to hoping we get a Dem in office in 2020. 1. A lots changed in the methodology since 2016 and it wasn't that the polls were totally off it's certain information was ignored or under reported .
2. They have not turned on him yet
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RE: Trumps base is starting to erode.
January 21, 2019 at 8:07 pm
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(January 21, 2019 at 8:01 pm)Amarok Wrote: (January 21, 2019 at 4:49 pm)PRJA93 Wrote: The polls also said he wouldn't get elected in 2016, so no offense but I tend to wonder if these polls are complete horse shit.
All I can say is, for some reason, Trumps fans don't seem to turn on him. It's one of the most illogical fanbases I've ever personally seen for a president and it scares me. Here's to hoping we get a Dem in office in 2020. 1. A lots changed in the methodology since 2016 and it wasn't that the polls were totally off it's certain information was ignored or under reported .
2. They have not turned on him yet
The methodology for what? Conducting surveys? For which organizations and how has the methodology changed? Where are you getting this info?
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