Evolution and Christianity and Salvation

[The Grand Nudger]

So, no consultation with the almighty in that one?

[pocaracas]

Look at mr thunder cat.. If I were so inepth why have I been correcting his understanding of the church for over a week? EVERYTHING this guy thought about the 1st century church the bible how it was translated was totally wrong.. but at the end all this douche has to say is I'm stupid and he can reset all the wrong stuff he orginally believed and you would gladly return to his side in support.. 

Now is it because I am ignorant here? or is the sentiment assigned to me so that you all do not have to change what or how you think about the church?

You know?... I was going to just ignore this, but to heck with it.
You systematically failed to understand the difference between the tradition in which Peter was the first head of the Catholic Church, and the (let's grant it, likely) reality in which Paul was the main driver behind the early growth of Christianity.
I've said this, in other words, of course, many times... and what did you do? whine about Mark being Peter's scribe (with nothing to back that claim, except some 2nd century attribution).

And yet, you claim I'm the crazy and ignorant one?...

Truthfully look at the crazy stuff he has said and what I had to do to correct him.. all the resources and all the reference material I used to support my work.. what did thundercat have? nothing more than what he thought and his 'word.' and for 3 days with supporting material I was treated as the ignorant one! why? if I can completely support my position? becuse it is a lie you all have to believe inorder to stay with what you believe about God and the church.

Well then, mister sunflower, support your god without a book.
Go ahead, I'll wait...

You know what?... Wait over! Heck, you even call the guy "god of the bible".

Your work is comparable to the millions of man-hours that have been dedicated to analyzing The Lord of the Rings. Sure, people can say much about hobbits, elves, orcs, wizards, etc... and can draw some inferences from all of their behaviors and interactions... but, ultimately, they are creatures in a book.

[Drich]

[Peebothuhlu]

At work.

"So honestly look and ask yourself is Drich really wrong or am I simply not wanting to face facts."



Uhm..... It's not that you're wrong, persay, it's that your bat -sheet crazy Drich.

You've posted that you (Effectively) 'Hear voices' 'Have been influenced directly by the divine'.

Now I'm paraphrasing the above and if you Drich want to expand/clarify/elucidate some more on the subject that's grand.

But hearing things in your head that others don't?

[pocaracas]

[fredd bear]

[Jehanne]

Why not just say that the Cosmos was created by some super alien intelligence last Wednesday to deceive you from believing the real Truth, unless, of course, you pass the "test" of not believing in modern science??

I know you are stuck in 1990's when it comes to creation verse evolution, but there is indeed a movement towards a master creator race of aliens or master designer who seeded this world as it explains alot. if you simply google it science is considering not 'god' wizard supreme but the description of creation and assigning it to a older more advanced race of people. To which I simply ask why can't that master creator alien be god?

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Citation or reference?

[pocaracas]

I know you are stuck in 1990's when it comes to creation verse evolution, but there is indeed a movement towards a master creator race of aliens or master designer who seeded this world as it explains alot. if you simply google it science is considering not 'god' wizard supreme but the description of creation and assigning it to a older more advanced race of people. To which I simply ask why can't that master creator alien be god?

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Citation or reference?

Why bother, when you have footage?

[Drich]

At work.

"So honestly look and ask yourself is Drich really wrong or am I simply not wanting to face facts."



Uhm..... It's not that you're wrong, persay, it's that your bat -sheet crazy Drich.

You've posted that you (Effectively) 'Hear voices' 'Have been influenced directly by the divine'.

where did I ever say I hear voices? That is your imaginings on how this all works. I have said many times.. my first encounter by all measures was a dream I went to bed had my experience (which was again very consistent with a bible I knew absolutly nothing about) then I woke up in the same place.

Second experience a hitch hiker I picked up told me of my past present and future dealing with God. he told me of prayers I had silently prayed he even answer questions I had in my head and never spoke aloud to him. then again he told me of everything to come and as I live i am still checking off items on a list he told me to expect. This time I heard a voice but it came from a big dirty black guy who said he was 'fresh out of jail.'

in the past I would receive direction as I would pray and every day I would listen to several different radio ministries, and the message for the day would literally answer my prayers. I'd ask about money I'd get a message on money I'd ask about how long I was expected to forgive (my wife had a 250 aday heroin problem for like the first 7 years, and on and on and on I would ask and what ever I would ask by the evening I would have direction.

Then we started a business together was working withsomeone who promised me a partnership after two years we were with him for 3 then one day he stopped communicating for like a month. I just kept doing my job (no pay no word) but so long as the company credit card would allow me to buy fuel and parts I worked.. did this for a month then the card declined. start talking to my wife about doing our own thing/we had no money. next day ower came back gave a bs excuse ( i think he got locked up for drugs) then a guy I had only met in passing one time before who owned a company I did work for came out to his back lot where I was working and asked what the problem was with the billing as he had not gotten a bill in over 6 weeks, then got like 30 invoices all at once.. I told his I just do the work and the owner processes the billing. he asked could I do the work and also bill him on time. I said yes but we can't go out on our own no money he asked how much you need i said to do it right about 50k he said can you do it for 25k and I will help you buy a service truck through a guy he knows supposedly saving a ton.. I said sure the majority of the money would go to a new truck anyway. he said talk it over with your wife, and the next morning we met at a perkins he drew up a contract on a napkin and wrote a check for 25K.. not exactly free money from heaven but he did not charge any intrest on the money. just asked for frr labor so long as the loan was open.

Then with the business we saw opportunity come to us in waves doubling what we did every year. never once spent any real money or time advertising. this continued on till one of my better customers bought into a Italian designed piece of equipment. ask if I could work on it I said sure looked at it and realized this should be under warranty.. found the closest dealer in Miami like 380 miles away. made arrangements to file warranty under them. 2 weeks later the cooperate HQ for this international company invited me to come up to Boston where they are out of and attend a dealer meeting. I told him we could not afford a franchise, he said come up and get to know us at least we can use you as warranty for central fl. Long story short I went and came back with a 250K (what they where charging other dealers to be established) for free. They said they needed competent representation in my market. IE they wanted to be introduced to businesses like disney universal sea world ect/people I do business with, and companies who support those businesses.. FF a few year the head guy found out my dad was head of the local votech school and long story short there they moved the yearly dealer meeting to Orlando. Problem was the Italian engineers teaching the class had such heavy accents the americans could not understand them.

This is not a supernatural thing as I saw it documented with people like temple grandon. but she could see how thigs work. like wise the only material not written in itialian was the wiring diagrams and schematics. they had the standard copy then the changes they made and I could literally see the changes instntly I understood the load out requirments and could also predict what how this would effect everything and how it could later fail. So I took two weeks worth of material studied it all in one night went over everything I had planned to talk about with 4 engineers that moring they would fill in a few gaps and I taught 75 other guys and got them all legitly certified except one guy.

Did that two years. at the end of the second was approached about a hush hush project. essentially there was a company in nyc who bought 4 electric truck who wanted 4 battery powered refrigeration systems to last 4 hours. the problem was the american battery engineers could not understand the power requirements and have a basic understand of how things work. they just wanted me to look at the diagrams and explain it to the power supply people.

So when to this meeting on the left were 6 refrigeration engineers from itialy on the right the battery engineer team 4 ex-nasa guys (they do batteries for the government/military equipment like drones and power space equipment, like mars rover.

So I'm alittle out of my element to say the least. but the battery people started to expalin their understanding and their problems.. took about 20 mins.. in that time I reconfigured not only the refrigeration system electronic, power supply needs and controls, i drew out a small device that would compensate and manage the switching process from charging to running off battery. not only did I finish the needed up date I also in my mind build it with parts I knew I could get from a local air force surplus store (where they have all sorts of parts and peices) I showed them the diagram they laughed and argued and said it would never work I said not only would it work I could have a running prototype by Monday morning, it was 3:00 friday.. they said we are years away from prototyping, as all the components needed to be vetted. I said I was able to do all of that in my head and could grantee a working prototype Monday for 300 dollars.. the owner of the battery company laughed and said here is 500 I'll buy the pizza for the all nighters you have coming!

So me and the boston lead guy left there going to the surplus store him freaking the f out as this was an obama era green program that they could milk for millions and if I screw this up....

Long story short.. I got two patents out of this, and bought out when this company order 25 more units.

The point My mind was now open for technical viewing of tangible components in relation to one another. This was just another avenue God would use to provide answers to the questions I had been answering though out all of this..

You might call this crazy off the cuff but I would challenge you to look at what was said and try and find fault. In 10+ years none of you nor anyone from the church ca find fault.. only thing you all can do is try and discredit me personally.

Now I'm paraphrasing the above and if you Drich want to expand/clarify/elucidate some more on the subject that's grand.

But hearing things in your head that others don't?

I hear what I understand, which I can explain in such away that you can not show me to be wrong. So rather than try, my observation is most of you take the easy way out and call me crazy..
you guys are just lazy and dishonest

[The Grand Nudger]

Was the hitchhiker dressed like 1950, half drunk and hollow eyed?