Evolution and Christianity and Salvation

[Drich]

I know you are stuck in 1990's when it comes to creation verse evolution, but there is indeed a movement towards a master creator race of aliens or master designer who seeded this world as it explains alot. if you simply google it science is considering not 'god' wizard supreme but the description of creation and assigning it to a older more advanced race of people. To which I simply ask why can't that master creator alien be god?

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Citation or reference?

google.com just like I said then key word alien seed earth that =
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspermia

then google panspermia then you get all sorts of links to things like:
https://astrobiology.nasa.gov/news/in-se...anspermia/
https://helix.northwestern.edu/article/o...mia-theory
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/lif...a-paradox/

can i do any more heavy lifting  for you? or do you feel like enough of a douche to maybe try and google what I suggested the first time around?

or do you still feel your knowledge of evolution is still at the pinnacle of man's theories of origins and you think I am ignorant because the lazy masses such as yourself has not been generally informed to change the way you think yet? Because that is all I am pointing out here.. the gap between what you think is moderning thought on the subject and what people are actually discussing now. Not what the general population retards think about evolution.

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When I was 16, I had  what I thought was a religious experience.

On a week end retreat, at monastery with the rest of my year 11 class. We were in the chapel. A monstrance was set up, with exposed host. One of the priests, sitting behind us, gave a homily on the Eucharist. After about 10 minutes, I felt 'suffused', 'light', with a deep peacefulness. Of course I ascribed this as the presence of the holy spirit. These days; not so much.

At 23 had another, even more intense experience; I solved a Zen koan ,which had been in my head for about 5 years. The experience was one of intense awareness of my surroundings. The feeling lasted for some minutes, then faded, never to return. The non verbal answer to the koan was also gone.

Today I'm convinced such experiences have nothing to do with so-called  spirituality or mysticism.  They are physical responses to stimuli. Pretty sure such experiences can be repeated with  some drugs, such as mescaline , peyote, and LSD. As well as exercises without drugs; eg various Yogic and Zazen  practices.

I've also seen it in a happy clappy church, which I consider as spiritual as my dog. To me, very obviously  inducing  mass hysteria/mass hypnosis. The techniques used include some classic practices used  in hypnosis, such as repetition and external focus.
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A monstrance, also known as an ostensorium (or an ostensory),[1] is the vessel used in Roman Catholic, Old Catholic and Anglican churches for the more convenient exhibition of some object of piety, such as the consecrated Eucharistic host during Eucharistic adoration or Benediction of the Blessed Sacrament. It is also used as reliquary for the public display of relics of some saints.[2] The word monstrance comes from the Latin word monstrare,[3] while the word ostensorium came from the Latin word ostendere. Both terms, meaning "to show", are used for vessels intended for the exposition of the Blessed Sacrament, but ostensorium has only this meaning.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monstrance

Zazen (literally "seated meditation"; Japanese: 座禅; simplified Chinese: 坐禅; traditional Chinese: 坐禪; pinyin: zuò chán; Wade–Giles: tso4-ch'an2, pronounced [tswô ʈʂʰǎn]) is a meditative discipline that is typically the primary practice of the Zen Buddhist tradition.[1][2] The precise meaning and method of zazen varies from school to school, but in general it can be regarded as a means of insight into the nature of existence. In the Japanese Rinzai school, zazen is usually associated with the study of koans. The Sōtō School of Japan, on the other hand, only rarely incorporates koans into zazen, preferring an approach where the mind has no object at all, known as shikantaza.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zazen

what i described was not a feeling.. It was a dream that played out how the bible describes judgement and hell. I had this dream well before I ever read the bible or knew what it said. my understanding of hell was that of the catholic church which has little to do with the biblical hell. My second experience again was not a feeling but a conversation with a very tall very dirty black man hitch hiker who told me of past prayers my present situation and what would happen in my future without two verbal words from me. I was driving at the time so no meditation. or dream state on that one.

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Citation or reference?

Why bother, when you have footage?

this is exactly what I was going to reference as to how this theory of panspermia has worked it's way even into theater!

[The Grand Nudger]

If a link doesn't say what you're making claims to, why link it?

There is no such scientific movement, you made that up. Your links are about meteorites, bacterial spores, and bacterial spores on meteorites.

[Drich]

Was the hitchhiker dressed like 1950, half drunk and hollow eyed?

big black man dirty jeans camo jacket (woodlands pattern army) skimask/beanie needed to shave nasty work type boots. also had a bag he through in the back of my 64 ranchero

[The Grand Nudger]

I don't think it ever happened.

[Drich]

If a link doesn't say what you're making claims to, why link it?

There is no such scientific movement, you made that up, and none of your links even mention it.

That this the difference between people like you and me. You all always need all the dots connected and colored in then the picture explained with someone hellen kellering you around the out line spelling the details out in your hand before, one of you is brave enough to say I think I see it...

panspermia is the idea of the earth being seeded sport that is my claim! I gave 4 links to this word being defined that way. each link provides different thoughts on how this can happen.

The point is science is becomming less and less convinced that life can just exist from nothing more than liquid water and carbon.. that there needs to be a catlyst a seed to grow when conditions are right. most center around meteorites, even though that is the dumbest theory since the something from nothing of darwinism as 1 a meteor has never yeilded any signs of life despite what was thought to be discovered in 97 artic find. the conditions of entry and then the sudden stop is often times enough to equate to our biggest intentional explosions by our biggest bombs... so the metorite sizr goes up to ensure enough mass or 'seed' can survive, but then so does the yeild of he explosion.. If I remember right one of those links explains this as the paradox of panspermia.. The idea being either life is possible from nothing or life was seeded some other way leaving the discussion open to aliens...

[Jehanne]

Citation or reference?

google.com just like I said then key word alien seed earth that =
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspermia

then google panspermia then you get all sorts of links to things like:
https://astrobiology.nasa.gov/news/in-se...anspermia/
https://helix.northwestern.edu/article/o...mia-theory
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/lif...a-paradox/

can i do any more heavy lifting  for you? or do you feel like enough of a douche to maybe try and google what I suggested the first time around?

or do you still feel your knowledge of evolution is still at the pinnacle of man's theories of origins and you think I am ignorant because the lazy masses such as yourself has not been generally informed to change the way you think yet? Because that is all I am pointing out here.. the gap between what you think is moderning thought on the subject and what people are actually discussing now. Not what the general population retards think about evolution.

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The links that you listed are scientific programs, which I was aware of, but, instead, I was looking for scientific papers, that is, published articles in the peer-reviewed scientific literature.  Such would constitute a "citation"; my apologies for not being clearer, and no, I am not asking you to be my librarian.  Instead, I am trying to point out the fact that abiogenesis and evolution are really two separate subjects and areas of inquiry.

[The Grand Nudger]

If a link doesn't say what you're making claims to, why link it?

There is no such scientific movement, you made that up, and none of your links even mention it.

That this the difference between people like you and me. You all always need all the dots connected and colored in then the picture explained with someone hellen kellering you around the out line spelling the details out in your hand before, one of you is brave enough to say I think I see it...

panspermia is the idea of the earth being seeded sport that is my claim! I gave 4 links to this word being defined that way. each link provides different thoughts on how this can happen.

The point is science is becomming less and less convinced that life can just exist from nothing more than liquid water and carbon.. that there needs to be a catlyst a seed to grow when conditions are right. most center around meteorites, even though that is the dumbest theory since the something from nothing of darwinism as 1 a meteor has never yeilded any signs of life despite what was thought to be discovered in 97 artic find. the conditions of entry and then the sudden stop is often times enough to equate to our biggest intentional explosions by our biggest bombs... so the metorite sizr goes up to ensure enough mass or 'seed' can survive, but then so does the yeild of he explosion.. If I remember right one of those links explains this as the paradox of panspermia.. The idea being either life is possible from nothing or life was seeded some other way leaving the discussion open to aliens...

That's an awfully long winded way to say you made that shit up...and now you're lying about your own silly claim which is right here in this thread for anyone to see? I don't know why that still surprises me... but it does.

[Angrboda]

The God of the Hebrews appears to have been left far behind.

[The Grand Nudger]

[Peebothuhlu]

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... Wrote lots of heart felt and honestly related life experiances...

Now I'm paraphrasing the above and if you Drich want to expand/clarify/elucidate some more on the subject that's grand.

But hearing things in your head that others don't?

I hear what I understand, which I can explain in such away that you can not show me to be wrong. So rather than try, my observation is most of you take the easy way out and call me crazy..
you guys are just lazy and dishonest
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 So... instead of understanding/accepting that I was NOT trying to quote you vebatim.

 You instead went on a long diatribe (Though obviously heartfelt) about all your life experances that you use to justify and re-inforce your ideas?

Y'know there's terms and such for that, right?

 So. Perhaps work on your reading comprehension. Will save you time in the long run.

So your mind/memory remembers the 'Hits' or 'Positive' things which reinforce your 'divinations'...

I have to ask. DO you keep an equal track of all the times that things simply don't follow along with your divinations?

Heck, how do you even tie a supposed 'Hit' with the powers that you claim to be?

It could be really grateful Leprecauns who are thanking you for that one, now loong forgotten time, when you rescued their lucky coin?

How do you tell the differance of 'Where' this divination is coming from?