Evolution and Christianity and Salvation

[pocaracas]

Do you understand? if you do then you will know those chart you post only support what I have to say if you simply understand the data through the Milankovitch theory.

I understand why people like you are the reason that the world is going to turn to crap in the next 10~20 years.

[The Grand Nudger]

Not only is solar influence a non starter for our current warming trend.....any alternative to agw would have to explain how increased concentrations of greenhouse gas aren't having an effect.

[Drich]

Do you understand? if you do then you will know those chart you post only support what I have to say if you simply understand the data through the Milankovitch theory.

I understand why people like you are the reason that the world is going to turn to crap in the next 10~20 years.

Do you think paying a bigger tax is going to fix it then you just go ahead and pay al gore his money and see what happens.

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Not only is solar influence a non starter for our current warming trend.....any alternative to agw would have to explain how increased concentrations of greenhouse gas aren't having an effect.

proof or an apology

[The Grand Nudger]

We can already see what happens with carbon taxes.  Swedens framework has been a monumental success.  Obviously, that money isn't paid to the account of one albert gore nor would it be if we tried it out.  It goes to their budget and funds projects deemed important.

For something truly amusing....a carbon tax would heavily lean on the concrete industry, providing the revenue required to build large concrete walls. Opposition to agw in the states is entirely predicate on a political grievance, but the solution to the aggrieved parties troubles are staring them right in the face. Carbon taxes, in addition to providing revenue, boost domestic production and emerging infrastructure and industries. We could have our good jobs -and- WALL.

[Drich]

look this is like the dozenth time I've ask for proof, it is saft to say you have no examples of me lying in all the records of me being here?

[downbeatplumb]

What is the downside of protecting the environment?
Even if all the climate scientists and the data that supports them turned out to be wrong and people stopped polluting and damaging the environment so much on the basis of incorrect data all they would have done is make the world better.

BUT the climate change deniers are told that the earth is dying, what needs to be done to save it and if they are wrong the world dies, but they are willing to take the risk.

I just don't get their mind set.

[The Grand Nudger]

More than just climate scientists and data would have to be wrong.  Basic chemistry and physics would have to be wrong.

In any case, the mindset of deniers was produced by the fall of communism.  Right wing propaganda organs lost their cash cow and then turned to scaring the shit out of people with with a green scare to replace the red one. The only group of deniers I find to be even remotely credible or understandable outside of the context of the doubt merchant mill are impact deniers.

[Drich]

More than just climate scientists and data would have to be wrong.  Basic chemistry and physics would have to be wrong.

In any case, the mindset of deniers was produced by the fall of communism.  Right wing propaganda organs lost their cash cow and then turned to scaring the shit out of people with with a green scare to replace the red one. The only group of deniers I find to be even remotely credible or understandable outside of the context of the doubt merchant mill are impact deniers.

look this is like the dozenth time I've ask for proof, it is saft to say you have no examples of me lying in all the records of me being here?

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What is the downside of protecting the environment?

crashing world economy billions starve.

Even if all the climate scientists and the data that supports them turned out to be wrong and people stopped polluting and damaging the environment so much on the basis of incorrect data all they would have done is make the world better.

If they are wrong we are not doing anything determental. Do you know the story of chicken little? He got hit in the head by something that fell out of a tree and got the who barn yard up in a riot because he convinced everyone the shy was falling, when in fact there was nothing at all wrong.

The planet has been warming since the last ice and and will continue to do so not because of anything we do but because the sun is putting out more energy.. We can't do anything about that. we can tax for that. so they claim the sky is falling and claim they can fix the world if you give up more of your money.

BUT the climate change deniers are told that the earth is dying, what needs to be done to save it and if they are wrong the world dies, but they are willing to take the risk.

1999 call and want your arguement back
People are not denying some change in the climate as it has been changing since the last ice age. what they are arguing is the cause. the primary cause of the recent spike in change is the melted glaciers that use to cover 2/3s of the north american continent. the migrating poles is the root caue of that as our magnetic shield is exposed now where it was not before.

The problem with the sky is falling is as the glaceriers melt we begin to see the artic was once a vast tropical paradise. meaning the north pole and canada are supoosed to be or where at one time the amazon junggle, and it had to be much warmer then in our past, meaning we are alot colder than what use to be. or another way to look at it we are returning to normal.. and for this you want a tax???

I just don't get their mind set.

because you have been programed not to think anyway except the sky is falling with carbon credit/tax

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More than just climate scientists and data would have to be wrong.  Basic chemistry and physics would have to be wrong.

In any case, the mindset of deniers was produced by the fall of communism.  Right wing propaganda organs lost their cash cow and then turned to scaring the shit out of people with with a green scare to replace the red one. The only group of deniers I find to be even remotely credible or understandable outside of the context of the doubt merchant mill are impact deniers.

An appology:
Dictionary



a·pol·o·gy
Dictionary result for apology
/əˈpäləjē/
noun

1. 1.
   a regretful acknowledgment of an offense or failure.
   "we owe you an apology"
   synonyms:
   expression of regret, one's regrets; More
   2.
   
2. a very poor or inadequate example of.
   "we were shown into an apology for a bedroom"
   synonyms:
   travesty of, excuse for, inadequate example of, poor imitation of, poor substitute for, pale shadow of, mockery of, caricature of
   "a dire apology for a decent apartment"
   

[Abaddon_ire]

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Wait, wait, wait. You think drich can read graphs and actual data?

I admire your optimism.

[pocaracas]

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Wait, wait, wait. You think drich can read graphs and actual data?

I admire your optimism.

I guess I'll die an optimist 🙂