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Kid arrested for not standing for pledge...
#11
RE: Kid arrested for not standing for pledge...
I find that whole pledge thing ridiculous. Oh yeah, easy money to pay for college.
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#12
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(February 18, 2019 at 1:12 pm)Drich Wrote: Don't want to stand for the pledge fine kneel and keep your mouth shut you do not have the right to destroy the pledge for everyone else nor do you have the right to protest school so no one else can learn.
https://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/arch...allegiance
(local paper)

Nope. From your link we find out that kid simply refused to get up to participate in unconstitutional ceremony and then the substitute teacher started asking him questions, so the kid simply answered some questions, not to mention that the substitute teacher was rude by telling him to "go back where he came from" and to no wonder the article puts blame on substitute teacher.
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#13
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The pledge of allegiance is a strange thing to my British eyes. We have nothing like it over here. It looks like indoctrination, a bit like the oath the Wehrmacht made to Hitler.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoZw9xz0OY4



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#14
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(February 18, 2019 at 1:21 pm)Yonadav Wrote: Who are we kidding? My parents taught me not to say the pledge of allegiance. But I was taught to be respectful of others while they were saying the pledge. So I stood.

These kids that are sitting are doing it just to make the others feel disrespected. They are being disruptive, and a teacher has a right to tell them to knock it off. It's an issue created by bored malcontents. And don't compare it to the NFL.  Kneeling is respectful.

Here's an idea. You're a fucking kid. Respect your elders. Respect teachers. When the teacher tells you to stand up, stand up you little brat. Parents who think that their kids shouldn't have to stand when the teacher tells them to should just keep their brats at home so that the rest of us don't have to put up with them. You think that your kid should be encouraged to defy teachers and elders? Then home school them, assholes. The rest of us don't want to deal with your little fucking brats.

Holy crap.

There is no point in having a free society, adult or child if all of us say, "It is done this way, and that is all there is to it." 

Makes me hate that old Gieco Insurance slogan "It's what you do" even more.

The goal of public education should be, to teach facts, not politics, not ideology. The goal of public education should have the goal of teaching kids how to think, NOT WHAT TO THINK.

If all we want to be as human beings are lemmings, clones of each other, there is no need to have pluralism. We could be like North Korea, if kissing ass is works and promotes freedom. 

I doubt if you lived in Saudi Arabia, Iran or North Korea you'd want your own kid saying, "Oh well, when in Rome, don't spoil it for the majority".
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(February 18, 2019 at 1:59 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: The pledge of allegiance is a strange thing to my British eyes. We have nothing like it over here. It looks like indoctrination, a bit like the oath the Wehrmacht made to Hitler.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoZw9xz0OY4

Well it doesn't look like an oath to Hitler at all, since the pledge of allegiance isn't to a person. I'm not a big fan of the pledge because I think that it is wrong to take oaths from children. I never took an oath until I joined the Air Force. The pledge isn't indoctrination, because it isn't followed up with anything doctrinal. So the students really do just see it as meaningless words. Being from a culture where oaths are a super serious thing, I see a problem with the pledge trivializing the entire concept of oaths. When some kid spends 13 years repeating an oath every day that they see as being meaningless, I don't know if I can take their word for anything or not.
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RE: Kid arrested for not standing for pledge...
(February 18, 2019 at 1:59 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: The pledge of allegiance is a strange thing to my British eyes. We have nothing like it over here. It looks like indoctrination, a bit like the oath the Wehrmacht made to Hitler.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoZw9xz0OY4

Same thing here in Portugal. I mean we learn the anthem in History class, but it didn't came on exams nor we were made to recite it in school whatsoever.

It was mandatory before '74, but that was when we were under dictatorship.
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#17
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After reading up on the situation, it sounds like things are being misrepresented a bit; apparently, the kid was arrested for threatening to "beat the teacher" and being generally disruptive after the incident with the pledge. It sounds like the kid has some behavioral issues which added to the escalation of the situation. However, the teacher was also completely inappropriate and should never have been making comments toward him like, "Why don't you go find another place to live if it's so bad here?"

That's totally out of line.

That all being said, when a teacher tells you to leave the class, just leave the class. When you're told to go to the principal's office, just go. School's can arbitrarily decide to give you detention or suspend you for "insubordination" at their discretion. Like it or not, they have the power to do that.

I really doubt anything will come of the lawsuit as they technically didn't arrest the child for not standing for the pledge. I really think we need to be careful about saying shit like this without looking into the situation because a 30-second scan of the article will tell you he was not arrested for refusing to stand for the pledge. It just seems like the kid was acting up after the "incident" (which shouldn't even be an incident in the first place) and the school totally mishandled it afterward.
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#18
RE: Kid arrested for not standing for pledge...
(February 18, 2019 at 11:18 am)Divinity Wrote: My grandkids don't stand for the pledge.  Thankfully none of them have been arrested so far, but only two of them are black.  And one of them isn't in school yet.

(February 18, 2019 at 1:40 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote:
(February 18, 2019 at 1:12 pm)Drich Wrote: Don't want to stand for the pledge fine kneel and keep your mouth shut you do not have the right to destroy the pledge for everyone else nor do you have the right to protest school so no one else can learn.
https://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/arch...allegiance
(local paper)

Nope. From your link we find out that kid simply refused to get up to participate in unconstitutional ceremony and then the substitute teacher started asking him questions, so the kid simply answered some questions, not to mention that the substitute teacher was rude by telling him to "go back where he came from" and to no wonder the article puts blame on substitute teacher.
first paragraph...

An 11-year-old boy was arrested at his Lakeland middle school for allegedly being disruptive after he refused to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance because the U.S. flag and national anthem are "racist." 

Argument is over retard... Being disruptive after the pledge... is Not going to jail for not standing for the pledge.

and no she did not go back where he came from... The kids mother apart from the teacher's story, the kid's story and anything written  ALEDGES the teacher told him that.

She simply asked: if it is so bad here why don't you try and find some place better. Which is something alot of people say. but here's the key (not francis scott) but the key to why he was arrested. it was time to move on and he wished to futher disrupt.. now it is no longer about the anthem or the pledge, but his will to disrupt any established or organised authoritative event with the same sense of entitlement.

lets say you are a foot ball player and don't want to stand.. fine sit down and "shut up the mouse-sa" now that the anthem is over and it is time for the game, you do not have the right to protest the game and disrupt it because you think the pledge is racist.
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(February 18, 2019 at 2:23 pm)Yonadav Wrote: Well it doesn't look like an oath to Hitler at all, since the pledge of allegiance isn't to a person. I'm not a big fan of the pledge because I think that it is wrong to take oaths from children. I never took an oath until I joined the Air Force. The pledge isn't indoctrination, because it isn't followed up with anything doctrinal. So the students really do just see it as meaningless words. Being from a culture where oaths are a super serious thing, I see a problem with the pledge trivializing the entire concept of oaths. When some kid spends 13 years repeating an oath every day that they see as being meaningless, I don't know if I can take their word for anything or not.

Only to your rather previleged eyes. Were I am from, its even against the constitution to make someone take pledges. You can excuse your state of mind, by the grandeur of your nation.

It is not really patriotic. It is nationalistic. But that young nation, that once shone as a beacon of liberty and freedon still have to learn a valuable lesson distinguishing patriotic and nationalistic. Too bad, but it's bound to happen by the looks of it
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#20
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(February 18, 2019 at 1:26 pm)Drich Wrote: I wonder if that family gets government assistance in anyway shape or form..

Why? How would that change anything, drip of smegma?
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