Kid arrested for not standing for pledge...

[no one]

Drich, you apparently don't understand freedom at all!

[Drich]

Not the fucking point!

She is the adult, he is the kid.

And others besides me pointed out why you are wrong. 

It DID start from the kid not standing. Otherwise why would she say what she did after?

She got pissed because he didn't stand. PERIOD. SCOTUS has long since said he didn't have to stand. 

SHE instigated the fight after, she is still the adult.

DUMB F*CK!!!

THE TEACHER DID NOT MAKE HIM STAND!!!!

That is the fake news bit... you are so wrapped up into yourself you don't even know the facts! The arguement is over.

The argument being the kid was arrested for not standing. 

again the arrest came after he refused to leave. again free speech is not free will.

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Drich, you apparently don't understand freedom at all!

i understand the constitution's version of it... not the current post obama era free will is the same as freedom.

[no one]

There is no such thing as free will, asshat.

[LastPoet]

Drich, you apparently don't understand freedom at all!

I suppose you don't know Drich very well. The Mr "You should get AIDS, that will make you believe god." or "Spare the rod, spoil the child" and many other interactions similar that I don't recall right now.

Yeah, a fine example of christian values. Yet, all of the other Christians here, remain in silence. Because he is one of them, one of them...

[Drich]

There is no such thing as free will, asshat.

preaching to the choir.

[downbeatplumb]

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The pledge of allegiance is a strange thing to my British eyes. We have nothing like it over here. It looks like indoctrination, a bit like the oath the Wehrmacht made to Hitler.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoZw9xz0OY4

stupid piece of arrogant ..... I being 1/2 korean knew you had a pledge at age 6

Oath: "I, [name], swear by Almighty God that, on becoming a British citizen, I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Her Heirs and Successors according to law." Pledge: "I will give my loyalty to the United Kingdom and respect its rights and freedoms.



All countries have a pledge of allegiance to one degree or another. even if you only saw brave heart you knew there was a formal swear of alliegence to the king!

And do you know how many times I have ever said that pledge as someone who has lived in Britain my entire life?

NEVER, I have never said that pledge, not once in my entire 50 years. 

Because that is what you say when you become a british citizen and you say it once, not every fucking day as a brain washing activity. 
It is not the same thing nor is it similar to what we are talking about.

Seriously you call me stupid and arrogant while stating something that is entirely incorrect and claiming superiority.

You are the definition of irony.

[no one]

And yet you mention it time and time again. Forget freedom, I don't think you understand anything.

[Yonadav]

Well it doesn't look like an oath to Hitler at all, since the pledge of allegiance isn't to a person. I'm not a big fan of the pledge because I think that it is wrong to take oaths from children. I never took an oath until I joined the Air Force. The pledge isn't indoctrination, because it isn't followed up with anything doctrinal. So the students really do just see it as meaningless words. Being from a culture where oaths are a super serious thing, I see a problem with the pledge trivializing the entire concept of oaths. When some kid spends 13 years repeating an oath every day that they see as being meaningless, I don't know if I can take their word for anything or not.

Doesn't it start, "I pledge allegiance to the flag" that IS indoctrination it is doctrinal.
 It does not trivialises oaths, it makes people super nationalistic and you get stupid ideas like American exceptionalism.

That's not what indoctrination is. Like I said, it isn't followed up with anything doctrinal. Indoctrination isn't mindlessly repeating a few words every day. Indoctrination is a regimen of proper thinking. By definition, mindlessly repeated words are not indoctrination.
Mindlessly repeating words is only indoctrination in the high school drop out pot smoking hippie living in their mother's basement sense of the word.

[Drich]

Drich, you apparently don't understand freedom at all!

I suppose you don't know Drich very well. The Mr "You should get AIDS, that will make you believe god." or "Spare the rod, spoil the child" and many other interactions similar that I don't recall right now.

Yeah, a fine example of christian values. Yet, all of the other Christians here, remain in silence. Because he is one of them, one of them...

here's a value you forgot. I am a wretch of a human being who need to be redeemed. which is why I am a christian, and not because I am some moral saint. I in my faith don't have to pretend to be something I am not... my God or the God of the bible HATES fake people. people who pretend to be morally superior and in fact are the most wicked among us.. whether that describe one in the church or one outside it.

No. I am faithful represented on page good bad and ugly. I live in freedom. I do not pretend to be or care about thing I do not like just because soceity or pretend people want me to think or speak that way.

Yeah, sound like a terrible existence.. not pretending to be someone you are not or pretending to care about things you don't. or holding back when people are obviously hypocritical.

[Brian37]

Doesn't it start, "I pledge allegiance to the flag" that IS indoctrination it is doctrinal.
 It does not trivialises oaths, it makes people super nationalistic and you get stupid ideas like American exceptionalism.

That's not what indoctrination is. Like I said, it isn't followed up with anything doctrinal. Indoctrination isn't mindlessly repeating a few words every day. Indoctrination is a regimen of proper thinking. By definition, mindlessly repeated words are not indoctrination.
Mindlessly repeating words is only indoctrination in the high school drop out pot smoking hippie living in their mother's basement sense of the word.

Um no, that is EXACTLY  what indoctrination is. 

"Just do it" and hiding behind the word "respect" is the very definition of indoctrination and a call for blind loyalty.

And again, do not pull that "mother's basement" bullshit with me. I have been consistent in prior posts that the left has used that as a slur too, and I hate it when my side uses it too. Where somebody lives and who pays the bills is none of your business unless you live under that roof.

The topic is FORCED RITUAL. And if that is what you want, North Korea would be a better fit for you.