Kid arrested for not standing for pledge...

[GrandizerII]

News: Cop shoots black man when he didn't have to (not the first time it happens). People suspect racism involved.

PRJA93: Show me that in this specific case the cop shot him because he was black? Did the cop say he shot him because he was black? No? Then don't say racism! I won't stand to such injustice!

[EgoDeath]

And yet you STILL make no valid point about the school doing/saying anything that was racist. STILL. You can blab all you like and use all the unrelated examples you like but you're just admitting that you have no real point to make. It's not an injustice to cry racism, it's just silly if you don't actually have a real reason to do so. Which you don't. Which you've proven with every subsequent post you make.

Thanks for proving my point about you not having one.

The kid was acting out of control and was removed from the school by the police. This happens ALL of the time. But OH! This time it happened because he's black! It must be true because I feel it deep in my feelie feels that it's so!

Hilariously enough, I never denied that it was racially motivated. My only point was that the child was not arrested for refusing to stand for the pledge. That's simply inaccurate. I'm only saying that someone being removed from a school for disruptive behavior by the police is not some huge deal. Crying "this is racist" after the fact simply doesn't make it so. Have other students who refused to stand for the pledge been removed for unruly behavior following a dispute concerning the pledge from this school? Were those students white? Where exactly are you seeing racism? If the student was white and the teacher was who she was, would it still be racially motivated? I'm not understanding this paranoid conspiratorial mindset you have about race in this country. Isn't it possible the kid was just acting like an asshole, white black red yellow purple or otherwise?

Once again, you're the one deadset on making this about race. My only issue was with correcting the title. You're a race-baiting ambulance chasing racist. You're the one seeing the world through this lens, not me. If something in this situation was racially motivated, fire everyone involved and make sure they never have another job teaching again. Until then, it's just some kid who was removed from school for unruly behavior. I've seen it happen to white kids dozens of times in my four years of high school. Saw it once or twice in middle school as well. White kids both times. Were those incidents racially motivated?

edit: Are we supposed to assume that every situation involving a minority is racially motivated? That's a pretty fucked up, condescending way to look at the world and says a lot more about how you feel about people of color than anyone else. You're so fucking transparent yet you don't see through your own bullshit.

[GrandizerII]

So putting aside the humor aspect, what do you disagree with regarding the analogy I provided up above? Be specific.

No, I don't assume every situation that involves a minority group must therefore be racially motivated. We examine the details of the scenario and then, based on the stats that we have that are pertinent to the situation at hand, we make inferences and judge whether it was [probably] racially motivated or not.

And again, the kid was provoked into aggravation and he wasn't even physically violent. Seems to me like he was fighting back with words and standing up for himself. Hardly worth getting arrested for.

Would a white kid have been called out by the same teacher for not standing for the pledge? Possibly, but not likely. Would the same white kid, even if called out by that teacher, once aggravated into acting out, been treated the same way by the police? Probably not, as they would've probably tried to calm him down by showing him some understanding and maybe even acknowledging that he was being treated unfairly. Why do I suspect this? Because of various factors and based on what I've learned and observed in life.

Can a white kid be in a situation where he gets arrested by the police at school for unruly behavior? Of course. But we're talking about a specific context here, not just any random context.

To give an anecdote of my own, I've seen employees shushing Indian employees at work for speaking to each other inside the library (it's really a "quiet room" with computers but no books) but the same employees not shushing fellow white employees when they do start chatting each other. I've seen this enough times to suspect that, yep, there's race-based biases at play here. Do I know with 100% absolute certainty that this is so? No. But there's good reason to suspect so.

[EgoDeath]

And yet, you're STILL not providing any reason to assume this incident was racially motivated. How much longer do you want to go back and forth like this for? I have all day. You continue to spout off what-about-isms and unrelated examples that having nothing to do with the situation. The kid was not arrested for refusing to say the pledge. End of story.

[Drich]

It's like this generation is trying to recreate the real racial tension we had growing up.. the problem is they are just making minorities angry over the riminates of real racial tension. meaning they are creating a one sided fight, and have been taught to just throw people into the fire by tagging them racists or bigots or xenophobs. I grew up in a time where White people really hated other races and we worried about pissing off the wrong whites as they would come to your house in mass and drag you and and beat your ass. It was in the light of this oppression that separated the MLKjrs from the left wing hucksters today stirring up BS.. This one sided race war is always trying to find a villian, and the people who want to be apart of this crusade the people who want to be hero's in it straw men their own enemies out of anyone who opposes them for any reason.

[downbeatplumb]

And do you know how many times I have ever said that pledge as someone who has lived in Britain my entire life?

NEVER, I have never said that pledge, not once in my entire 50 years. 

Because that is what you say when you become a british citizen and you say it once, not every fucking day as a brain washing activity. 
It is not the same thing nor is it similar to what we are talking about.

Seriously you call me stupid and arrogant while stating something that is entirely incorrect and claiming superiority.

You are the definition of irony.

Maybe your 50 year old brain is broken or maybe your distance from God allows you to never admit when you are wrong, what ever the reason you are trying to brush this off, and as many times as you spoken to me in a derogatory fashion/for being stupid, you need to admit you where wrong... 

YOU SAID YOU COUNTRY DID NOT HAVE A PLEDGE.. Before you try and worm your way into another red herring, you need to first concede that you are so ignorant about your country that you should have not even spoke about the existence of a pledge to your queen before you took a second and looked it up!

You need to seriously admit this error.

And I say again that I as a british citizen have never said that pledge, have never known anyone who has said that pledge (as far as I know). What you put was the end part of a one time thing done for a specific purpose and is done voluntarily by the people who take it. It is like a wedding vow. It seals a deal.


So you are comparing apples with an off duty policemen with a penchant for stamp collecting.

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Maybe your 50 year old brain is broken or maybe your distance from God allows you to never admit when you are wrong, what ever the reason you are trying to brush this off, and as many times as you spoken to me in a derogatory fashion/for being stupid, you need to admit you where wrong... 

YOU SAID YOU COUNTRY DID NOT HAVE A PLEDGE.. Before you try and worm your way into another red herring, you need to first concede that you are so ignorant about your country that you should have not even spoke about the existence of a pledge to your queen before you took a second and looked it up!

You need to seriously admit this error.

And I say again that I as a british citizen have never said that pledge, have never known anyone who has said that pledge (as far as I know). What you put was the end part of a one time thing done for a specific purpose and is done voluntarily by the people who take it. It is like a wedding vow. It seals a deal.


So you are comparing apples with an off duty policemen with a penchant for stamp collecting.

And is it a sign of how a pledge is to our society that I have heard of it and yet yours is world famous for its quirky indoctrination.

[GrandizerII]

And yet, you're STILL not providing any reason to assume this incident was racially motivated. How much longer do you want to go back and forth like this for? I have all day. You continue to spout off what-about-isms and unrelated examples that having nothing to do with the situation. The kid was not arrested for refusing to say the pledge. End of story.

The kid wouldn't have been arrested if he hadn't refused to say the pledge. It's not like the kid just decided to cause disruption out of nowhere.

How come you haven't addressed the cop shoot black man analogy part yet? Do you believe it's unreasonable to suspect (without explicit confessions of a racist attitude) that a black man may have been unnecessarily shot because of racial biases, and especially given the stats and the studies that support the idea of subconscious racist attitudes?

It's not actually racially motivated in the sense that people are being consciously racist. It's more like biases that are [probably] at play here triggered by the perception of skin color.

Here, from the link I posted earlier:

Federal civil rights investigations have found that black students are punished more harshly than white students in schools even when black and white students engage in identical or similar behavior.

"But that's irrelevant to what's happening here!", sayeth open-eyed PRJA93.

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Oohh, here's the other side of the story:

Student's attorney: 'They overreacted'
The student's attorney, Roderick Ford, says the family disputes the version of events in the police report.
"It's our position that the police report has been largely fabricated in order to justify the wrongful arrest," Ford told CNN on Monday.
He said the student had never used the word racist: "They interjected the word racist to mischaracterize the event."
Ford said the student indicated that he was not participating in the pledge because he felt that the American flag represented unfair and discriminatory treatment of Black people.
"At that point, it is our position that this young man was well within his legal rights," he said.
"The substitute teacher then says, 'If you don't like it here, go back to where you came from.' And he said 'Do you mean Africa?' And she says, 'Yes,'" Ford said. "The young man then says, 'You are our teacher you should not be talking to students this way.'" At that point, Ford said, the teacher called security to the classroom.
Any subsequent altercation with the security officer took place outside the classroom, meaning the classroom was not disrupted as alleged, the attorney said.
"This is no different than someone making a more legally sound argument in a court of law, it's just that this 11-year old put it in the way he articulates it," Ford said. "They overreacted."
Ford said the student had been due to appear in court Tuesday morning but that his appearance had been moved to another court as they planned to fight the charges. It is unclear when the new hearing will take place.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/18/us/fl...index.html

[EgoDeath]

Is this supposed to be your "gotcha" moment? Unfortunately for your ego, I simply never said: "that's irrelevant to what's happening here." Your intentional misquotes of my words are obvious and desperate. I only ever suggested we should wait for more information before we assume that the situation was racially motivated; I can't find an earlier version of the article that mentions the word, "Africa" or the comment about going back to Africa, nor can I find any source but CNN saying that this comment took place. If you can find earlier versions of this article that include said information, please cite them.

Given that I, in general, trust CNN's reporting, I'm willing to take their word for it that there are clearly two versions of events going on here, what the school says happened versus what the child and his parents and their legal team says happened.

edit: The student was STILL not arrested for not standing for the pledge. Holy fuck you're dense.

[GrandizerII]

Is this supposed to be your "gotcha" moment? Unfortunately for your ego, I simply never said: "that's irrelevant to what's happening here." Your intentional misquotes of my words are obvious and desperate. I only ever suggested we should wait for more information before we assume that the situation was racially motivated; I can't find an earlier version of the article that mentions the word, "Africa" or the comment about going back to Africa, nor can I find any source but CNN saying that this comment took place. If you can find earlier versions of this article that include said information, please cite them.

Given that I, in general, trust CNN's reporting, I'm willing to take their word for it that there are clearly two versions of events going on here, what the school says happened versus what the child and his parents and their legal team says happened.

edit: The student was STILL not arrested for not standing for the pledge. Holy fuck you're dense.

Your problem is that you're waiting, and still waiting, and forever will be waiting. I, and many others, suspected this to be the case from the beginning.

Yeah, right, that one word/comment is going to make you finally consider it's racially motivated ... lol, bullshit

[Yonadav]

I placed Grandizer on ignore. The kid's got Aspergers or something.